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France bans hate speech

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Date posted: 2004-12-26 15:12
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on Henley in Paris
Friday December 24, 2004

Guardian

The French parliament yesterday definitively adopted legislation that could lead to year-long jail terms for anyone found guilty of insulting homosexuals or women. The justice minister, Dominique Perben, believes the laws are necessary to combat an increase in homophobia, but they have been condemned by advocates of free speech who say they are too strict and unworkable.

The law puts anti-gay and sexist comments on an equal footing with racist or anti-semitic insults, allowing French courts to hand down fines of up to €45,000 (£30,000) and jail sentences of up to 12 months for "defamation or incitement to discrimination, hatred or violence on the grounds of a person's sex or sexual orientation".

Proferring an anti-gay insult, including any remark "of a more general nature tending to denigrate homosexuals as a whole", in public - meaning on air, in print or at a public meeting - is also an imprisonable offence, while private sexist or homophobic taunts between individuals could incur fines of up to €375.

Gay and feminist groups have welcomed the law, which is in part a response to a significant increase in verbal and physical attacks recorded against homosexuals in France.

The number of violent acts against gays doubled to 86 in 2003.

"It's great and welcome news," said Ronan Rosec of the campaign group SOS Homophobie.

"Gays in France just do not want to be abused, physically or verbally, any more."

Another gay rights organisation, Inter-LGBT, said the law marked "the crossing of a decisive bridge" for France.

The feminist group Les Chiennes de Garde, or Guard Bitches, added that it hoped the law would lead to a fall in the number of physical attacks on women "by first outlawing verbal violence".

But the legislation, which also establishes an impartial body, the High Authority against Discrimination and for Equality, to help victims of bias, has drawn as much criticism as praise, particularly from advocates of free speech who say it will be difficult to enforce and will lead to self-censorship.

In theory, critics say, the law could mean that devout Christians who denounce homosexuality as "deviant" would be prosecuted; comedians can no longer make mother-in-law jokes; the producers and distributors of the camp comedy film La Cage Aux Folles could end up in the dock; and parts of the Old Testament might be banned.

The media campaign group Reporters Without Borders said a society "advances towards tolerance ... via freedom of expression and debate, and not through repression".

The Catholic church in France also expressed concern that the law might prevent clergymen from expressing their opposition to legalising gay marriage.

Even the national commission on human rights, a government advisory body, has criticised the law, arguing that courts "will face great difficulty defining what is an insult, and will thus have to condemn words ... certain films, books and even the Bible could fall under its remit."

The Book of Leviticus, for example, describes male homosexuality as "an abomination".

In an attempt to allay such fears, Inter-LGBT says it will prosecute only "genuinely scandalous remarks ... cases that we are certain to win, and guaranteeing an educational effect".

But SOS Homophobie and Act-Up have both said they consider that describing homosexuality as "abnormal" is an insult under the terms of the new law.

French judges say they expect "an avalanche" of complaints under the legislation, particularly in its early days, and acknowledge that there are bound to be significant differences of interpretation and appreciation.

"We will have to try to preserve the freedom of expression while respecting the law," said Fran?§ois Cordier, a Paris public prosecutor.

"Day-to-day insults against gays must be punished, as must incitement to violence, hatred, discrimination. But we cannot deny every monotheistic religion an opinion on homosexuality."

Mr Cordier said it would take some time before an accepted jurisprudence emerged.

"The courts will have somehow to draw a line between opinions that might be shocking but must be allowed to be expressed in a democracy, and speech that is undeniably homophobic," he said. "It will not always be easy."
COMMENTS:
Bubba in USA - [anonymous] Tue Dec 28th 03:31 2004 / #1
wow those Frogs really are F**ked up !
Moderation needed - [anonymous] Tue Dec 28th 12:28 2004 / #2
hey watch what you say, it might be against the law if viewed in France.
J.S. - [anonymous] Tue Dec 28th 14:32 2004 / #3
It's about time that we had something like this in the US, especially now that Dubya is back in power for a second term.
[ anonymous ] - [anonymous] Wed Dec 29th 00:37 2004 / #4
Anything who says anything against gays, for example"What people do in their own homes is their own business--but personally, it grosses me out" should not only be jailed, but should also be guillotined.
it will fail - [anonymous] Wed Dec 29th 13:42 2004 / #5
This post is really gay, the funniest part I saw was the feminist group that supported the bill was actually called the guardian bitches, so i guess you can belong to group called the bitches, but you can't call a woman one, Frances insane political correctness is laughable, I hate nazis, and homophobes, but I d much rather live in a culture where everyone was free to say what they think, trying to supress this sort of idiocy will only make the idiots feel supressed by the government, and add fuel to their already twisted view of life. I think this sort of bill will actually lead to more hate crimes as was proven in the US when similar legislation was adopted in certain counties, neo-nazis flocked there to hold rallies, and tension only increased as the neo nazis continually tried to push the envelope in order to have a case go to the supreme court, which in turn gives them much more publicity and power to recruit way more people. I say let them live in their little website worlds, and talk with their skinhead friends, I ve known a few skinheads and they wern't necessarily insane, that s the problem, they have tons of lawyers who are just waiting to pounce on the oppurtunity to take this sort of thing to court.
butthead butthead - [profile] Wed Dec 29th 13:45 2004 / #6
Sounds just like PC in the USA to me.
[ anonymous ] - [anonymous] Mon Jan 3rd 12:04 2005 / #7
A lot of people don't like to acknowledge the fact that there is a huge fascist community in France, most people see them as the strong nation that stood up to the US against the Iraq war. But in reality they signed the UN resolution along with germany to go to war in Iraq. This in my mind makes them just culpable for the war as England or America, their politicians may have spoken against america (which is a great way to gain popularity in politics there) but when it came to give authorization they signed their names jsut like everyone else did. They are not a country standing up to america they are just like the yes men everywhere else in the world, they can talk all the shit that they want to, but they'll still bend over as soon as america wants to screw them. sad but true.
[ anonymous ] - [anonymous] Mon Jan 3rd 21:29 2005 / #8
There may be a "huge fascist community" in France, but there are fascist communities in any country. They may also be hypocrites, but what does the war in Iraq have to do with the banning of anti-homosexual speech in France? Man, you guys are all alike. Virtually any event or issue in the world can be turned into a pro-US pro-Iraqi War platform, or it can be turned into a platform to bash the US and it's War in Iraq. As long as the central issue is concerned, it doesn't matter, as long as you have the chance to stand up for or stand-up against the US. Weird.
[ anonymous ] - [anonymous] Tue Jan 4th 11:19 2005 / #9
The poster I believe was trying to point out the hypocrisy of how France gets to be viewed as the great nation that stands up to America and represents freedom in Europe when in reality they are just as corrupt and fucked up as every other wealthy country on the planet. Their attempt to ban hate speech is another example which is analogous to their position in Iraq, which is publicly state something in order to look progressive, but then actually enacting something else. The banning of muslim head scarves is another example of this. It is this source of twisted logic that rarely gets covered in the european press much in the same way that the US media is very pro war. In terms of taking a position on the US, France bases much of their political support, and much of their press strickly dedicated to anti-us propaganda. It s one of the ways they build a political career in France, much like every president in the states has to be a christian. I believe the hypocrisy that others countries have as well as the united states is what the poster was trying to point out.
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