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US Taxation of sro's

Posted by: Captain - [user profile]
Email: CaptOneIron@aol.com
Date posted: Fri 12th Aug, 2005
Category: Business
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Does anyone know how the IRS (United States) treats the operation of an sro in the Czech Republic that is used to own rental property. In particular I am curious as to whether this is treated like a sub-chapter S corp since I believe that sro are limited liability companies. I'm not trying to cheat any government out of anything but tax people are having trouble figuring out how to handle this. (I have already been audited by the Czech tax authorities). Thanks, in advance for any help you may have for me.

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jeff jeff Mon Aug 15th 12:35 2005 / #1
Hi Cap, if you do not find answer here try Husovsky:
(probably not free advice but maybe ..)

http://prague.tv/venues/husovsky
cfo2go - [anon] Tue Feb 14th 20:10 2006 / #2
Captain, This is probably old news for you, but you should know that the IRS does not recognise the limited liability "s.r.o." as an entity separate from yourself if you are the majority or sole owner. The IRS will "look through" the corporate veil and tax you on profits. On the other hand, if you have losses this can reduce your taxes, too, depending how you have characterised your holding historically. I would be happy to look at your situation with you and evaluate possible routes to attack this if it is still a 'live' issue. John Mohr. http://www.cfo2goeurope.com
Edelman - [profile] Tue Feb 21st 19:02 2006 / #3
Dear Captain, I have to disagree with Mr. Mohr's advice. According to IRS regulations as well as the instructions for IRS Form 8832 (entity classification election): ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Foreign default rule.
Unless an election is made on Form 8832, a foreign eligible entity is:

1. A partnership if it has two or more members and at least one member does not have limited liability.

2. An association taxable as a corporation if all members have limited liability.

3. Disregarded as an entity separate from its owner if it has a single owner that does not have limited liability. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Thus, an sro (which by definition provides limited liability to all its owners) is by default "an association taxable as a corporation" since all its members have limited liability (it is not "disregarded as an entity separate from its owner").

So unless an election is made on Form 8832 to change this entity classification to something else, the s.r.o. will be treated for US purposes as a separate entity, and if owned more than 50% by US shareholders (US persons with at least 10% ownership), then the s.r.o. will qualify as a "CFC". Now, I'm assuming this sro is indeed a CFC...

The US shareholders of a CFC must file IRS Form 5471 (as well as Form 926 and probably also TDF 90-22.1 regarding the foreign bank accounts). Generally, the US owners of the s.r.o. will have no US tax consequences on the business happening inside the s.r.o. until they take money out (e.g., as salary or dividends) or sell the stock. However, the "Subpart F" rules must be considered. If the sro has Subpart F income (such as certain rental income - here the rules are too complicated for this limited space), then the US shareholders can be immediately taxed on certain sro income even though not distributed. The US tax rules that apply to this sro and the complex forms that should be filed with the IRS are good reason for you to seek U.S. tax advice from a specialist in US international taxation.

If Mr. Mohr is saying this sro is a "look through" company in a practical sense because of the possible impact of the Subpart F rules (and not because of the entity's actual classification), then perhaps he should have qualified this by mentioning the active rental business exception of Section 954(c)(2)(A). Moreover, losses cannot possibly pass through, ie., Subpart F only passes through income to the US shareholders, not losses.

Of course, with a variety of possible consequences, you can ELECT to treat the sro as a passthrough, but this must be an affirmative act using Form 8832 and is subject to all sorts of rules and limitations, and traps for the unwary.

Hope this is helpful.

Please feel free to attend my free presentation on US taxes at the Globe, Pstrossova 6, on Thurs, Feb 23 at 7 pm. www.edelmantax.com

IRS Circular 230 disclosure: To ensure compliance with requirements imposed by the IRS, I inform you that any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any matters addressed herein."

cfo2go - [anon] Fri Feb 24th 06:38 2006 / #4
If we are talking about an sro with a single owner that was created to hold the house of that owner, no matter how many forms and circulars we quote we still get back to the fact that one of two default positions of the IRS will be to disregard the entity as separate entity. The other, which Edelman suggests is also true, but does not likely convey any relative advantage on Captain - based on the limited information provided. If on the other hand this is a business run for a profit, then there is no better advice to look at the IRS website yourself to become familiar with the issues and then consult a paid advisor.

In any case, here is a plain English and brief quote from the US on the tax classification of certain entities:

"For Federal tax purposes, certain business entities automatically are classified as corporations. [NB. In the Czech Republic, this means an a.s., only] Other business entities may choose how they are classified for Federal tax purposes. Except for a business entity automatically classified as a corporation, a business entity with at least two members can choose to be classified as either an association taxable as a corporation or a partnership, and a business entity with a single member can choose to be classified as either an association taxable as a corporation or disregarded as an entity separate from its owner."
Edelman - [profile] Sat Feb 25th 00:27 2006 / #5
I don't really understand the last posting...

(1) An s.r.o. with any number of owners (insofar as they all enjoy limited liability under Cz company law) is by default a foreign corporation under US tax law, and nothing else. There is only one default position, and that default is automatic (no IRS decision or discretion involved).

(2) Yes, indeed, the s.r.o. is an 'eligible entity' (in contrast an a.s. is not an elgible entity) and accordingly the sro's owner(s) can, if he/they so desire, make a Form 8832 entity classification election to treat the sro either as a foreign disregarded entity aka FDE (only one owner) or a foreign partnership (more than one owner). But if the owners do not make a (timely) election, then the default governs: it's a foreign corporation.

(3) Which s.r.o. classification is better, the default (foreign corporation) or an elected classification (FDE or foreign partnership), depends on a lot of factors. I am not recommending any particular classification, rather I'm just trying to clarify the way the classification rules work for a foreign eligible entity such as an s.r.o.

(4) The "plain English" quote above, although taken from the IRS' own website, is oversimplified and misleading, because it does not distinguish between default and elected classifications. For example, a single-member sro doesn't "choose" to be a foreign corporation, because that is the default position. It can, however, elect/choose to be a disregarded entity by timely filing Form 8832. A taxpayer facing these issues would be well advised to review the Form 8832 instructions or the tax regulations at 301.7701-3(b)(2): http://a257.g.akamai tech.net/7/257/2422/01apr20051500/edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2005/aprqtr/26cfr301.7701-3.htm

IRS Circular 230 disclosure: As stated above.
Captain - [profile] Sat Feb 25th 03:42 2006 / #6
Thank you to all who responded especially Mr. Edelman. My own accountant's in Chicago (who charge me a lot of money) agree with Edelman completely. It seems one of the key points is whether or not the sro is used just a passive vehicle for ownership or is it active in short term rentals and the like. So far the forms are so complicated that I can't imagine someone trying to do this on their own. The penalties for instance on non-compliance about bank accounts are absolutely ridiculous. Thanks, again.
Triactol - [profile] Mon Nov 7th 08:32 2011 / #7
Hi edelman can you further explain this, "A partnership if it has two or more members and at least one member does not have limited liability." Triactol reviews
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