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that would be amazing, those guys are so unbelievably crass. I wouldn't lose any sleep if they didn't allow any more of them into the country. |
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Mon Nov 1st 10:28 2004 / #2 |
i hope this makes a difference. Prague should take the route that Dublin took - solve the problem through the tourist industry directly by not allowing group bookings on hotels etc.
not sure how effective changing laws would be here, knowing the Czech courts. |
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Mon Nov 1st 10:38 2004 / #3 |
Thats an interesting article - I was having the same discussion with some friends this weekend.
I think that at the moment its a catch 22 situation. On the one hand, British (and sometimes German) stag do's should be more respectful to the country and its culture. However on the other hand its impossible to walk through the centre without being mobbed by flyers for sex clubs.
In many ways these people are encouraged to come here and act the way they do by the way that firms market to them.
A similar thing happened in Cyprus. It was becomming a UK orientated destination for young people who wanted to have a lot of drugs and a lot of sex. This was getting out of control and putting off the higher spending older visitors to the island.
I think its great that Prague is a party capital, but I also think that the centre needs to be kept clean so all holidaymakers can enjoy the city. For me that means cleaning up the streets of hookers and flyers and having greater regulation on where strip clubs can be licensed.
In the end free market enconomics will clear a lot of the worst stag do's out - as property and standards of living rise, cheap strip clubs will be outspent by traditional city centre offices, shops, accomodation and hotels... but some sensible guidelines from the authorities could really help this along.
It would be nice if stag do's could still come here, but there presence was not detrimental to expats living here, the locals themselves, and of course other holiday makers who want a little more than a grab in Darling Cabaret!
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Mon Nov 1st 10:50 2004 / #4 |
yes! cordon off an area in deepest darkest zizkov for the stag people!
that way i'll stop feeling immediately ashamed of my nationality whenever i hear the stag night mating call. |
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Mon Nov 1st 11:43 2004 / #5 |
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no, they should construct a STAG CITY somewhere between prague and cheb, in the northern bohemia wasteland of factories and depression, only brothels there, none in prague, the buses could go straight there from the airport, las vegas style. that would solve everything, and the hookers could keep their jobs. |
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Mon Nov 1st 13:58 2004 / #6 |
Excellent news!!
Those culturally insensitive tossers should stay in whichever hole they crawled out of. Encourage people from better educated nations -i.e anywhere - to visit us and put visa restrictions on UK nationals who do not have a requisite IQ rating.
I really support any iniative that will rid our streets of this shameful menace but I am not sure that the tourism minster is being entirely realistic when he writes
"Food here is as good as in London"
I would have thought it's more a question of like the old CSA advert used to say "OK and getting better" !! |
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Mon Nov 1st 14:39 2004 / #7 |
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Thank God - about time. Me and GF walk at weekends in the city speaking French to each other so we don't get confused with these yobs! |
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Sun Nov 14th 11:21 2004 / #8 |
some of these comments made me laugh!!!
I am taking the guys from work to Prague for a weekend.
We are going BECAUSE of the cheap beer and sex clubs.
We are not going to turn into "drunken yobs". Not everybody who is English does you know!!!
If we could get very cheap drinks, and could get a lady for an hour or two in the nearest town over here, we would not be going.
But we can't, so we are, and we intend to enjoy our 2 nights. |
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Tue Nov 23rd 19:57 2004 / #9 |
GOOD GRIEF.......what a weekend that was!!!.....2 and a half days, 5 hours sleep, numerous bars and restaurants, 3 strip clubs, 3 hookers, far too many strippers, and far too much beer on friday!!!
Needless to say our weekend lived up to our expectations and beyond.
And OK...i admit it, i did get drunk...but did not turn into a drunken yob, neither did anyone else who i took, there were however, the occaisional group of "lads" who were, but to be honest, not as many as i had expected.
The worse bit of it was constantly being asked by people, if we wanted to go to this club, or that one, and being asked "i give u b**w job, you f**k me?", by women on the street......but you just have to laugh at it really, as being part of the experience.
I have no doubt we will be returning at some point to do it all again.
7 happy Prague customers..... |
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Wed Nov 24th 09:13 2004 / #10 |
How about your cultural tours?
Did you see the castle? The Old Town Square? |
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Wed Nov 24th 11:14 2004 / #11 |
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Imagine, for a second, if you will what your behaviour does to the reputation of those of us who live here? |
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Wed Nov 24th 11:32 2004 / #12 |
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If a group of drunken yobs from another country came to a northern english city, didn't speak the language, and were obnoxious and disrespectful to the local women I have a feeling they'd have a pretty big problem on their hands. They think they are justified because there are so many strip bars here, like that somehow excuses their behavoir, but they are so close minded that they don't see anything else here at all. Ask any czech, they much prefer Americans because of these wandering buffoons. |
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Wed Nov 24th 22:20 2004 / #13 |
::::::::S A D G E T T I N G O L D I S N ' T I T::::::::
With the exception of Betsy who sopke some sense...
JUST ONE MINUTE PEOPLE....
It seems the that there is many assumptions being made here about the british holiday maker. Drinking is a big part of the english culture. No matter where the english go on holiday they will drink healthly. This is doing NO HARM to the Czech economy. I don't think that the bar and club owners would like to clamp down too much, do you? Just like most governments would love to ban smoking, NOT.
CZECH REPUBLIC'S CITIZENS HAVE HIGHEST ALCAHOL COMSUMPTION PER CAPITA IN THE WORLD.
Did you all forget this fact? Or never learn it because you are so dutifully engrossed in absorbing culture and drinking tea with your pinky out and moaning about the weather.... *yawn*
I am going to Prague to enjoy the culture, meet beautiful Czech girls, drink fine (cheap) beer and be merry because it is the start of the rest of my life. I am what you would probably refer to as a yob.
I work in an office earn an a more than modest income, love my football, love a drink, love a line of cocaine, like a nice girl too, prefer Motzart, adore Puccini, study war history in my spare time, speak more than just English, also a musician...
Does this sound uncultured?
I enjoy learning the history of the assisination of Heinich. The tragedy of Ludice, the historical and religious significance of Sedlec, the velvet revolution, Czech fiction writing like the Golem.
Maybe two of you know where Sedlec is?
I am pleased to be returning to the Opera house where Motzart was forced to debut Don Giovani as it was not ready for Austrian sensibilities of the time.
One of you knows this opera house.
I will also be seeing this czech girl I met last time and had mind blowing sex. I am going to snort charlie of her pXXXy Can't wait to see what she does to me this time, maybe with her friend too...
Enjoy the museum (the skulls teeth are real I asked).
Nice one,
p.s. Might I recommend you go to the Algarve next time or on a cruise with the rest of gods waiting room?
p.p.s. You only have the freedom to enjoy culture becuase of the yobs of yesterday? |
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Thu Nov 25th 09:03 2004 / #14 |
Write the following words, 20 times each:
healthily, ALCOHOL, CONSUMPTION, Mozart, assassination, because |
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Thu Nov 25th 10:01 2004 / #15 |
ACEY
Glad to be corrected by such a cultured and clearly literate person as yourself.
As long as drinking is culture then I stand corrected and the English are clearly a very cultured nation.
As for your fantastic Czech girlfriend, was she very expensive?
I am sure you realise having her friend as well will cost you a lot extra. |
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Thu Nov 25th 10:10 2004 / #16 |
hey "culture,"
you're a tosser.
the golem wasn't fiction.
it happened. |
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Thu Nov 25th 11:09 2004 / #17 |
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Yes the Czechs have the highest beer consumption in the world but their culture is one of pacifism not starting fights in the streets. Perhaps Iraq would be a better place for the more violent Brittish tourists. |
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Thu Nov 25th 11:56 2004 / #18 |
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it will never ever happen |
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Thu Nov 25th 12:43 2004 / #19 |
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Maybe someone could organise a few more grenades to go off at the right time and the right place to make these wankers think twice about joining the other Brit trash in their Friday EasyJet cattle run to Prague. |
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Thu Nov 25th 12:45 2004 / #20 |
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christ! |
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Thu Nov 25th 13:30 2004 / #21 |
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Yes? |
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Thu Nov 25th 13:38 2004 / #22 |
Hi big J,
Can you please rid Prague of these moronic, uncultured yobs? |
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Thu Nov 25th 14:12 2004 / #23 |
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I love all creatures, even trolls. |
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Thu Nov 25th 17:02 2004 / #24 |
The only sensible reply"I am sure you realise having her friend as well will cost you a lot extra."
We have all heard this gag a million times but thank you for trying.
As for the general erm.. just abuse really? Who is the yob and who isnt?
It is refreshing you left England. Hope you don't return by the sounds of it. Mind you the Czech republic will be empty when the EU gates come down. Just imagine you will have the place to yourselves to talk about how cheap a beer is and pat yourselves on the back for being the cream of English minds.
Am I a tosser 'syd'? How increadibly cultured of you? Scum abroad comes to mind. You can take the lad out of England...
Pathetic, say it to my face. |
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Thu Nov 25th 17:11 2004 / #25 |
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"I am fictional character. You just made a show of yourself and you're a cunt" |
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Thu Nov 25th 18:04 2004 / #26 |
a yob's a yob's a yob. cultured or not
sometimes the visiting blokes are ok - respectful etc., sometimes they're not. the respectful ones are great at the pubs, they tip well, they annoyingly stand around instead of sitting (but that's Anglo-cultural I guess) they are generally not bad guys - and yes, they bring money.
but money to whorehouses is untaxed and goes to foriegn (and local)mafias - some of that's gotta be controlled.
as an aside - I have not seen many air their ego online on PTV like our cultured yob, how refreshing - another self-important westerner moving in. Gag.
I don't really want to be mean, but your coke-dusted dream-like culture bubble might burst if you stay awhile... maybe not though... if you're a bubble-head. |
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Thu Nov 25th 18:21 2004 / #27 |
Genkiepie - I could not agree with you more. Come reason to the discussion.
Yes drugs are bad I agree. I agree with your point there is a honeymoon period with these sorts of changes in life.
I would not want to move to Prague it is not my cup of tea at the moment. I am moving to Barcelona in the summer.
It is vital to show people respect always. You are an ambassador of your country. There is no excuse for people who don't when they visit another country. I would presume the same people behave like this back in Newcastle, Leeds or Bristol...
I only interjected as I felt this discussion by its very premise is a stick for some much generalised England bashing. Yobs do come from other countries too and even would you believe it the Czech Republic:
www.hooligan.cz
I accept this general bitterness and lashing out at blighty as part of the cognitive dissonance of making such a life choice as moving to Prague and it not being all some people expected. I hope this situation changes for you.
Regards,
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Fri Nov 26th 13:46 2004 / #28 |
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OK, however there is obviously overwhelming evidence that these English Yobs far outweigh annoying visitors from any other country on the planet. I have a feeling that this cultured yob isn't running around with 20 of his mates starting fights, and in general being annoying. He's just trying to hold onto some sort of dignity because he is a nationalistic prick who is totally blind to all the evidence that the english tourists are almost always the most disruptive and annoying. sorry, but its true |
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Fri Nov 26th 16:40 2004 / #29 |
To the cultured yob:
If you’re trying to impress us with your �knowledge’, you’ve failed. Sober Brit has already pointed out your level of literacy (don’t you have to spell words in your office?)
1. I don’t know who �Heinich’ is . . . but perhaps you’d like to learn about the assassination of HEYDRICH.
2. Also don’t know where �Ludice’ is. But I do know about LIDICE.
3. Maybe two of us know where Sedlec is? First, there are several towns by that name in the Czech Republic. You probably mean the one near Kutna Hora, which was of far greater �historical significance’ than its little neighbor. Sedlec boasts a fascinating religious oddity – but of little significance.
4. I doubt many people who knew even a little about the Golem would describe it as �Czech fiction writing’.
I wasn’t looking to write a pedantic response today, but if you want to get up on your culture soap-box, you’d better know your facts first.
Stick to the charlie, pXXXy. |
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Fri Nov 26th 17:58 2004 / #30 |
anonymous >
Nationalistic? Would you like to qualify that? If you could qualify that with any truth I would be quite surprised 'anonymous'.
As for prick? Not very nice saying that to me you don't know me? I have done nothing to you? You seem quite abusive. Its ironic you are discussing yob behaviour and displaying this behaviour yourself?
I would have to take your word for it that they are are the more prevalent trouble causers. I do not live there so my opinion is based only on the handful of times I visited.
I can't condone the behaviour you refer to from anyone English or not.
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Fri Nov 26th 18:06 2004 / #31 |
Pxxxy >
You pointed out a few spelling mistakes? Is that your response? Oh well... The weakness of your retort is staggering?
I hope you are not as petty as your contribution in real life? I see a distinguished career ahead of you in local council management : )
Sedlec is beautiful and Kutna Hora :)
How much do you get a gram for? ; >
Christian
P.S. Discussion forum or abuse forum? Can someone raise the gauntlet? There is enough hate in the world? |
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Sat Nov 27th 09:36 2004 / #32 |
cultured and illiterate yob ends many of his retorts with ? It makes me wonder how he speaks in real life? do most sentences in a debate end with a ? I am cultured? You think I am uncultured? I tell you I am cultured?
Sedlec?
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Sat Nov 27th 18:20 2004 / #33 |
Most of the sociological group under discussion be they
a/ mentally challenged cretins from the sink estates or
b/ highly pretentious lower middle class office drones "I work in an office earn an a more than modest income"
are the same.
They manifest the same disturbing and offensive behaviour patters. They prowl the streets of Prague in groups howling at the prospect of sexual freedom. They are mostly sexually inadequate and hugely repressed.
The silly man who tried to impress with his knowledge of "culture" made one important point:
"This is doing NO HARM to the Czech economy"
An erroneous one in fact.
The presence of these groups does not add substantially to the Czech economy because their greatest expenditure percentile is on sexual activity. This activity is not regulated or taxed and contributes to the pockets of criminal groups. Drugs and prostitution are historical partners and the social problems of increased drug use impact directly on the state.
Further it can be argued that the presence of such groups and subsequent reporting - by word of mouth and in print - deters responsible and wealthier sociological groups to visit.
The Czech Republic has a history of tolerance but these groups are a problem that must be confronted. We should not be made to experience these manifestation of sexual frustartion and persanal (sic) inadequacy on our streets.
You will never see a lone Englishmen acting in this way. The group affirms. The group is also a threatening experience and has nothing to do with joyful exuberance.
It is time that the politicians and the police took affirmative action before the City plunges into even greater notoriety.
Please contribute ideas on how to handle this problem. |
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Dr. Ruth, I think that the money the Brits spend here does benefit the economy. And not only the money they spend in hotels, restaurants and bars, but also on prostitutes. After all, the prostitutes eventually spend the money and whatever they buy is taxed. Spread od diseases is, of course, more problematic. I would, therefore, like to ask our British visitors to take precautions to not infect our prostitutes. |
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Sat Nov 27th 22:38 2004 / #35 |
WCB
The point is understood but I suggest that the English yob (for want of a better word) is not particulalry fussy where they bed down. Respectable hotels will not touch this class of individual and neither will many normal bars - see signs appearing all over Prague "No Stag Parties" means no English trash. There are a number of places that cater purely to this kind of degenerate.
Thus the yob is sleeping in low end dives and private apartments, boozing in these specialist bars - that also provide them with the kind of food they are used to - and as we know associating with prostitutes. I suggest that they are not contributing in any meaningful way to the Czech economy but are rather providing a disinsentive to other more worthy and economically important visitors.
We should also be careful to point out that the yob is almost always English. I have yet to see a group of Scot's, Welsh or Irish behaving in a similar manner. They all seem to be English, have a poor command of their own language and have a desperate need to impress their group with some act of vulgarity or insult directed at the Czechs.
When did you last see a group of Czechs or Americans or Canadians or Germans or etc., do the same? It is a uniquely English ailment and is based upon feelings of sexual inadequacy.
They are, as we know, here mainly in order to find sexual release with young women in exchange for money. They are therefore injecting money into the black economy. The prostitutes will of course spend their part of these earnings as will the taxi drivers, who I am pleased to say take them to the cleaners every weekend, but this is not significant.
Prague has more to offer visitors than any other European capital. Why then are we only suceeding in attracting the dregs? Those that despoil and deride our heritage?
These people should be, must be, discouraged.
As for infecting prostitutes I do not know about that. I would have thought that most of them were "sexually inexpereinced" and therefore did not pose too much of a risk? I have noticed that the English seem unable to "hold their drink" and one must assume that they are probably participating in unsafe sexual practice |
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Sat Nov 27th 23:03 2004 / #36 |
Dr. Ruth,
I am sorry I will never learn your true identity. You must be writing for living and your sense of humor is as great as your writing skills.
As to some of your points, I have, of course, heard that the British are not much into sex ("No sex please, we are British"), but they are still a great nation. They do have funny accents and they can be roudy, but with a firm hand (like Captain Bligh's) they can be lead to do great things, like conquering half the world, enabling their more sophisticated compatriots to spread democracy. Which is much better than spreading herpes among Czech prostitutes. |
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Sat Nov 27th 23:21 2004 / #37 |
These low life are not representative of England. They are a illness - think of England as a chubby and benevolent maidenly aunt, Brittania. Aunt Brittania has the flu and occassionaly sneezes on Europe.
I like your point about Captain Bligh. It is very important. It is the question of discipline and that is what is missing in British society. It has been whittled away over the years and needs to be put back. Smacking children is now illegal in the UK - madness.
The real English, the temperate, restrained, modest majority, are the ones that feel so revolted about the puerile antics of this minority. Trouble is they are a vociferous minority and the damage they do is immeasurable. |
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Sun Nov 28th 02:39 2004 / #38 |
"You will never see a lone Englishmen acting in this way."
So almost true. |
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Sun Nov 28th 13:04 2004 / #39 |
http://alaskanabroad.typepad.com/an_alaskan_abroad/2004/10/_ the_laddishnes.html
Somebody shoot these assholes
fuzzy english bastards - (picture)
The laddishness of Brits on cheap weekend drinking sprees is getting to be a bit much. The bastards are everywhere.
The fuzzy photo above was snapped with the camera on my mobile at about 9 p.m. I know it's hard to make out, but take my word for it: it's Brits behaving badly. They've ripped up the street signs and are parading them through the streets like battle standards. The only condolence is that Czech drivers are so bad there's a good chance one might plow a large group of these bastards down mid-crosswalk.
The problem is that it's cheaper for the punters to fly over from London for a weekend piss-up and grouping of waitresses session then it is for them to have a few pints and a currie in Piccadilly. Besides the women are better looking here. (Sorry Liz). But they're also smarter (again, sorry Liz).
These weekend trips are advertised as cheap getaways for booze and broads. The problem is these assholes act so obnoxiously that the only women that will go near them are professionals. All this does is feed the prostitution business in Prague, where it's quasi legal – there's no specific law against it. You see these punters stumbling drunkenly out of sex shops and brothels all over town. And they're not all young lads; I've seen quite a few middle-age men with swollen beer guts running their piggish hands over the thighs of teenage working girls as they argue prices on the street.
Each to their own, I guess. And everybody deserves to make a dollar. But prostitution has overtaken the city.
Here's a fun game, click on:
http://mapy.tiscali.cz/night/night.php?
Now choose your Prague neighborhood and see how many private apartments are around your flat that offer sex for money. It's amazing. And that's just the discreet services, there's plenty of neon signs offering sex all over the center of town.
And what the hell is it with the Czechs for letting a national monument be turned into a red light district. If you're going to have prostitution, fine, just keep it out of sight and those who want those kind of services will find them easy enough. But try walking down Vaclavske Namesti and you'll be harassed from one end to the other with solicitations from gypsy prostitutes who'll get you off in a dark corner of a side street to the hawkers who promise paradise if you just follow them to the nearest night club/brothel. What would Jan Palach say? Palach poured gasoline over his body and set himself ablaze in 1968 in protest of the Soviet invasion that abruptly ended the Prague Spring. Now a sculpture of a woman's shapely legs with her knickers around her ankles looms over the place where he died. A hundred prostitutes suck cock within a hundred yards of the place where Czechs have historically gathered in protest and celebration and the government does nothing to preserve the sanctity of the place where their modern nation was born. Skoda.
Listen, if you decide to go, I can give you the name of a very good doctor who can fit you with a prescription to see you right for a couple of Cuban cigars.
So the punters arrive by the planeload and the prostitutes are trucked in from the Balkans and they come together (well, the girls fake it, but the punters ought to be used to that by now) among the cobblestones of Prague. Who wins, who loses? I'm sure the Czechs think they're making a quick buck off sleazy tourism, but the mafia is raking in the pussy profits and the punters are sent home with a new reason to see the doctor. And the ladies, well they just get fucked.
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Sun Nov 28th 14:37 2004 / #40 |
Its nice to see that the tone of the discussion has changed from that of abuse to one of sense and reason.
I have not been in Prague for two years now. In light of your discussion I am very interested to see how things are there now. I will be going for New years eve then on to Budapest.
The most normal people can do the most out of character things under extrenious circumstances. I agree the people you refer to are repressed. In some way I feel by an english culture of covering up table legs, heavy censorship and poor legislation. The English government simply choose to ignore these issues and it is dealt with sometime by regional government through pilot schemes. However, there is a culture shock when arriving in Prague.
Sex is offered freely and constantly. Every taxi I got in I was offered girls. When I walked through the city I was offered sex constantly. When I was in a club I was talking to a women and she ultimately offered me to take her home for €70?! You have to ask the question how did the city end up in this state?
Which came first the whore or the yob?
(I much prefered the people and the vibe of smaller towns outside Prague like Sedlec and Kutna Hora. I know they have not got much in them but the people where beautiful to us.)
These guys probably have not witnessed this sort of thing before and get stuck in after a few pints. If they are not hurting anyone why not? There are several arguments here. Are you questioning the morality of prostitution? This is subjective. Are you questioning loutish behaviour? This is of course unless you are an absoltue nasty person, objective.
The Russian Mafia run prostitution in most European countries. Until Camelot win the tender of it I can not see that changing. It is the oldest proffession in the world they say. Perhaps the Czech government should do something to take this money out of the hands of such underground organisations? Does the pig make the sty or does the sty make the pig?
Out of interest me and my friends are not interested in the "ladies of the night" but two of the lads we are meeting there from Barcelona and Paris are going to make pornos and all the rest if it.
I doubt we will be walking around parading street signs. Grew out of that when I was 14. Its just childish and pathetic.
I went out in Cambridge last night and some skinhead tried to start a fight with me in a club over nothing. I waited for a kebab and there was a group of guys shouting total perversion at some pretty young lady who was passing. A lot of these people are Cambridge and Kings collage educated. The classquestion doesn't come in to it I believe.
Doesn't matter where you are in the world. Just add alcahol and you get an instant idiot.
Christian
p.s. I put a question mark and at the end of a statement to ask of you agree. Maybe that is bad english? Sorry. |
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Mon Nov 29th 02:25 2004 / #41 |
Dr Ruth,
Have you ever considered that to use my academic titles in a public message board boldly exudes 'pretentiousness'?
If we are going to talk pretentiousness might I ask what you are a Dr of? I am intrigued. Please elaborate! Given your complete ineptness understanding my actual social class I would deduce it is not sociology.
I may be so bold as to speculate you done a degree in looking down your nose, a masters in closing your eyes then a PHD in forgetting where you are from.
"I work in an office earn an a more than modest income= highly pretentious lower middle class office drones � – Dr Ruth
Could you make a bigger generalisation? Complete 100% ignorance as amusing as it is tragic I hasten to add. I am as disappointed as anyone here with this laudable comment coming from a Dr of sorts.
If you want to rescue any validity could you clarify if you mean social or economic lower middle class and to whose academic definition you are referring? May I enquire if the thought has ever crossed your mind, that when you do not know what you are saying neither does anyone else?
You go on…
"Mentally challenged cretins from the sink estates" - Dr Ruth
There is nothing like looking down your nose is there Dr Ruth? Speaks volumes of how you look at other human beings when you walk down the street. Where you perceive yourself to be in the disgusting class framework (you have not yet qualified) is gods own mystery. Pathetic, snobby, aloof and sickening, well done.
There is a bravery of being out of range. I would cherish the sight of you attempting to insult me to my face in such a brash and uninformed manner in real life.
It bitterly disappoints me you are not a strong enough person to air your beliefs outside your modem like some sort of living room 'Karl Marx'. Thus sadly they may always be a few centuries behind.
I can just about preserve my will to live in coping with your hapless whining. Please, if you want to generalise and insult without aim nor insight you may prefer to try:
www.yahoo.com/chat
Many thanks,
Christian
p.s. May I point with timely warning there may be a marriage proposal on the cards from WCB? |
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Mon Nov 29th 10:54 2004 / #43 |
Don't really want to step in the middle, but it should be noted that Dr. Ruth is a popular gossip columnist in the US... so the poster chose that name facetiously and not pretentiously.
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Mon Nov 29th 10:57 2004 / #44 |
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It looks like we could possibly spawn a new word. Anti-English:) While I really do think its stupid to generalise an entire country I think that there are certain traits that people are begining to think about England, of course not all English people are like this just as all americans aren't the way they are generalized as well. i think its the double standard that many English people have taken pride in the fact that they are the country of manners, and this identity is rapidly vanishing. as a side note, I was also wondering why are the McDonalds here full of Italians, I thought they had the best food in Europe, oh well. Its just kind of funny. |
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Mon Nov 29th 16:39 2004 / #45 |
Pacman
"many English people have taken pride in the fact that they are the country of manners" - Pacman
Did you watch the Simpsons Episode where they come over to England?
This stereotype you refer to was heavily referenced in this Episode. It is also referred to heavily in the National Lampoons films when Americans visit England. It is also played on in Classic Monty Python or maybe the Fresh Prince, Magnum so on...
I concede these are very bubble gum low brow examples BUT the Media is a VERY powerful tool for shaping perceptions.
This may come as a bit of a shock but, I suggest that the snobbery you refer to is portrayed in US popular Media and is far removed from real life here in England.
I don't think this opinion of viewing ourselves as the posh butler of the world has existed in quite sometime in England. Although it very strangely is going strong in US Prime Time?
There is an unfair distribution of wealth in the UK as with all countries and the only people that might take this opinion to be true would perhaps be SOME sad members of the top 5% or the wage structure who look down on everyone anyway.
It is no wonder you might feel aggrieved by this stereotype. As you might think the typical English person is looking down on you in this manner. I strongly believe this not to be the case and find even the thought of it antiquated and amusing in a way.
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Mon Nov 29th 18:20 2004 / #46 |
Every nation has its fair share of scumfucks. The british ones tend to be significantly louder and more aggressive than most, which makes them more of a pain in the arse. The sheer fucking number of them adds to it.
I have no idea if these people are rich or poor, educated or uneducated, and I'm not particularly interested. Whatever, they're the single biggest public nuisance in Prague, far ahead of the crowds of prostitutes flocking in to service them (who at least fuck off if you reply to their overtures in cesky).
All we can say in favour of this marauding band of weekend-colonialist scumfucks is that they do, on balance, behave significantly better than the Red Army and the Nazis who came before them. Plus, they usually fuck off after a couple of days rather than hanging around for decades.
One possible solution:
When a flight comes into Prague airport from the UK (and, note, I mean from ANYWHERE in the UK) , it's not hard to identify the stag groups on the plane. They're the loud fuckers in matching t-shirts, usually with "Dave's booze and whoring weekend" or somesuch on the front, together with a picture of Dave himself looking wretched.
It should be a simple matter for airport security to pick out the ones in matching shirts. Then all they need to do is shoot the fuckers point blank in the back of the head.
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Mon Nov 29th 18:58 2004 / #47 |
I am certain Praguematist is not feeling this angry in isolation. There will be 1000's of people in Prague who feel this extreme anger.
What makes me sad is that my friends and I and many other 'non-boozing/whoring' holiday makers may be looked at in the same light for speaking English because of "Dave's booze and whoring weekend".
You are starting to make me dread what is in store for us. I feel the biggest part of enjoying the holiday is meeting new local people. I hope this is still possible in view of the anger these people are causing!!
We visited Prague in 2001. We where treated like crap for speaking English. We had change threw at us several times. I had a bin spilled through my meal by a waiter with no apology.
We where rejected on entry from a number of cafes, bars, resteraunts that refused to give us the benefit of the doubt and let us eat or drink (By the way there where four of us not twenty. All dressed normal). One even asked if we where English, then asked us to leave when they found we where?
We where upset about the way we where treated back then and half us wanted to leave two days in to the seven days we planned!! Its fair to say two of us where very upset. At the time we thought it was to do with the National Embarresment of Neville Chaimberliain. I can only imagine it is similar to racism.
I am starting to see now why this was with Praguematists account? I know many of you are expats etc... However, I value greatly the Czech opinion on this board.
Could I ask was the problem worse in 2001? Are the England generally disliked because of the events of 1938?
Later in World War II the Czechs and British worked very closely and some great acts of bravery where played on the parts of both countries and I am very moved and enthused when I think of the unity created back then. It is heartbreakly undermined by these people. It is a very very disspointing situatuion. One I am very sad for.
I only hope common sense prevails and you do not see us all in this way.
On a lighter note, out of interest:
Can anyone tell me where Czech males/females go on their equivalent Stag Hen Party?
It would be poetic justice if all you Czechs got on the flights the other way and destroyed Newcastle and Bristol (although I think someone might have beaten you to it (only kidding people Geordies and Bristolians)).
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Mon Nov 29th 21:31 2004 / #48 |
As I stated on post 3, only a change in legislation/law & order twinned with a change in Marketing will change the situation.
If Prague was on the US Mexico border perhaps we would be speaking about the dreadful Americans coming over. I have a mexican friend who lived near cancun and often voiced his distaste to what occurs there. I haven't been there so I don't know. But it costs as little as £40 to fly from a number of provincial airports in the Uk to Prague - thats less than a 1hr train journey in the UK.
Even in areas like Finland-Sweden-Estonia there are serious problems due to binge drinking trips. Where there is a big price difference and cheap travel you will see this problem occur. As the 2nd largest EU nation, and one of the richest (subjective point so please don't get hysterical about it), the actions of UK citizens have a greater impact. Having such a drinking culture in the UK merely fans the flames...
I am English, but I would also like to be objective, and on the points I have read I'd like to say the following:
- The behaviour of UK or any other nationality behaving the way they do in P1 IS wrong. But if you put a toilet in a bathroom people will shit in it. By the same token, if one advertises a type of holiday and then has gangs of sex pushers and flyers in ones city centre than the consequences are obvious.
- It IS mostly English rather than British but I would like to note that 85% of all British are in fact English, so actually its representative of the UK. I have been started on by a group of battered Scots the other week(!). And when watching the rugby on the weekend there were 30+ welsh in there making a racket.
- I have also seen German stag do's, but I would say they are only 5% of the problem.
- I disagree that the stag do's are only staying in the shitty hotels. A friend of mine came over with 30 odd people and they all stayed in a 5*. I'm not making a judgement on whether their presence is a benifit or not, just making the point.
- Essentially this is a P1 problem. I can honestly say that I never see any stag do's unless I go to P1. There is an invisible force field that prevents stags from leaving this area. So all you people that live here I suggest you do like me and avoid the centre. Just like if I were in London I would never go out in Leicester Square because its full of pickpockets, minor theives and a lot of tourists - unfortunately its one of the prices you pay for having a popular city.
- I can understand the anger these people can cause but I would also say to some of the very harsh (and less objective) contributors above that their intense frustrations may be better served by writing letters to their local political representatives in the CR, to the Uk embassy to complain and ask what actions they will do to help root out the problem, and even to the budget airlines to ask why they don't have some form of etticate guides on their flights to act as good corporate citizens. Calling english people cunts on this site does little to create a solution.
Please don't bother to criticise any typos on this (as others have received criticism for) I'm typing very quickly (with 2 fingers as I can't type) and actually I don't think its relevant to the discussion!
Goodbye.
Mr M Best Esq.
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Tue Nov 30th 07:59 2004 / #49 |
To the half baked WH Smith historian:
"I had a bin spilled through my meal by a waiter with no apology."
A bin? Were you dining with the rest of your tribe of yobs in their natural habitat - the refuse dump?
As for "class" - the homeless of Prague have more class than any of the English revellers that infect our city every weekend. It is not a question of social status or the English class system , more a question of knowing what is right or wrong. Visiting hookers and getting drunk is not necessarily wrong it is the associated disorder and thretaening nationalistic crap that causes the trouble.
"the National Embarresment of Neville Chaimberliain. I can only imagine it is similar to racism."
indeed my feathered friend, the real reason why we all hate you is in in fact Neville Chamberlain. Well done on that one Herodotus!
Next time some waiter spills refuse on your meal you can definitely say it was nothing to do with the fact that his working life is a living hell due to the behaviour of English. No, it is due to his long term hatred of the English due to naughty paper waving Neville. |
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Tue Nov 30th 10:27 2004 / #50 |
So you hate the English end of story. All English. What a wonderful special human being you are. How do you feel about black people? Gay people? I know all that sort of hatred is RIFE in eastern Europe. You sophisticated lot...
No sense from you just bile, eh. Looks like these yobs are rubbing off on you.
The history is history. It was a long time ago. It was not this generation who waved the paper. If I was as shallow as you I would hate the Germans, Argentinians, French, Boers, .... *yawn*
We did sort of try and help you out in World War II remember? Maybe you should go to WH Smiths and get yourself a colouring book you monkey.
Looks like I have actually met the CZECH ALF GARNETT!!! hahahahaha
Maybe you should stay off the Stella before coming online Rambo?
What a high class contribution that was everyone, you can really see the difference between this walking testosterone sample and a larger soaked yob. Or can you?
YOU ARE A JOKE
Come here monkey. Here is a lovely banana for you oo oo oo oo oo oo
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Tue Nov 30th 10:47 2004 / #51 |
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Ok. Im half czech half american so maybe I can add 1 cent to the discussion. I think that most czechs do regard the stag parties as a nuisance, but I don't think they lump all of you together. If there is a group of Ians drunken slut bash t shirt wearing drunken yobs they will probably not be treated respectufully, however I don't hear much english bashing as compared to people that have a general dislike for the germans. I once dated a czech girl who was a waitress in Prague1, and I asked her who she thought was the most annoying nationailty that she had to deal with, she said without a doubt it was the germans (mainly because they insisted on speaking german, and were making sexual inuendos they thought she didnt understand) the stag parties also really annoyed her a lot, but she said that English and Americans tip the best so I guess that kind of made up for it. Anyway, my point is that I think the natives in this town just don't like seeing people being disrespectful to their city (of course), but it ends there. The english are stereotyped as being loud and obnoxious, which probably makes it easier for the once demonized american tourists to look like angels in comparison. Don't think that just because you're speaking english that causes people to offer bad service, I speak czech, and I still get bad service (service is not exactly the czechs strongpoint:) Just be respectful to the city, just because there are a lot of bordels here dosn't legitimize this kind of behavior, and I think perhaps many of the guys in these stag groups probably go back home thinking "what the hell was I doing", this is partly because of the pack mentality that comes with a stag group. I was watching the czech news and there was a story about how they were going to try to get rid of the guys passing out flyers for brothels in Vac Nam, this at least would be a good start. |
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Tue Nov 30th 11:00 2004 / #52 |
My three friends and I have complete respect of your country and I will act accordingly. Thank you for the insight also.
Out of interest I speak German also. I found this useful with older Czechs as it was at one stage taught as a second language, so I am told. Maybe I should be careful using in light of what you say.
Nice one,
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Tue Nov 30th 11:03 2004 / #53 |
Yes I spelt my name wrong. The 'A' is by the 'S' and and I hit the wrong one and clicked submit. Also I spilled some cheese inside my keyboard. lol
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Tue Nov 30th 13:10 2004 / #54 |
On another point you made, there is no real Czech equivalent of a stag/hen night.
If Czech people go out drinking in large groups at all I've noticed they they're always mixed groups. Large groups of men might be found drinking in their local pubs but I've never seen large groups of Czech women out getting pissed in the same way as Brit girls. (one of their many advantages).
And of course Czech people generally can't afford to travel around Europe having such excessive weekends. |
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Tue Nov 30th 23:17 2004 / #55 |
Christian, you claim to have an interest in history. Please can you elaborate?
By your comments I understand that you "specilaise" in one particular period of history. If not you would have realised that the Czech Republic was once part of something called the Hapsburg Empire. The language of Goethe was widely spoken in this Empire and was not taught as a second langauge.
"as it was at one stage taught as a second language, so I am told"
My fear for you Christian is that you have an unhealthy interest in only one historical period and I wonder why. Perhaps there is an innocent explanation. I will only be able to give a definitive diagnosis when you relax on my couch and allow yourself to be probed.
PS. Relax and also look up the word irony in your dictionary.
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Wed Dec 1st 11:11 2004 / #56 |
I have a an interest in the history of the first and second world war. Many people in my family died in these wars. So I have an interest. Would you like me to elaborate further?
Thank you for the insight. However, I was not going back that far! I was referring to the second languages this generation of Czechs speak.
I am referring too the languages taught in Czech Schools as the standard cirriculum over the last 20 years. I believe the language to be German. I may be wrong this is what I was told by a few people I spoken to. Certainly where people could not speak English they very often could speak with me in German.
I enjoy learning about history generally. However, like many people I find the two great wars of most interest for reasons too numerouse to mention. One reason is of respect we should know what these people sacrificed for us.
You where right there is an innocent explanation.
I am relaxed today. I went dog racing last night. Maybe if I don't know what the word is that is an irony.
Thank you for your kind consideration.
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Wed Dec 1st 12:34 2004 / #57 |
christian,
russian was the main language, we started to learn it when we were 10 years old. then at high school we were allowed to pick a second language, usually english or german. at least this is true for my generation born in the 70s or late 60s.
the older generation (post-war) learned russian and german.
that's it. now you know even more :-) |
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Wed Dec 1st 20:22 2004 / #58 |
Christian, the situation with 2nd languages was as follows:
1918 - 1948: German
1948 - 1990: Russian
1990 - present: English
After the fall of communism in late 1989, German led for a while, but was promptly overtaken by English, which is firmly the 2nd language now and is likely to stay that way for a long time. |
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Wed Dec 1st 20:40 2004 / #59 |
Thank you Aha,
Are you Czech?
Do you think I (or others) will get a bad reception from Czech people for being English in light of this story. Even though I am not a 'yob'.
Are the English widely hated regardless due to 1938?
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Wed Dec 1st 20:54 2004 / #60 |
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Christian, I am Czech but not from Prague. I can assure you that the Czechs admire the English people. They may complain about rowdy behavior, regardless of nationality. Actually, they may be more tolerant if the rowdies are British. Speak English, it sounds beautiful to Czech ears. |
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Wed Dec 1st 21:28 2004 / #61 |
Thank you Aha,
Wow, some of you are very nice to me : )
*whispers* Are you male or female?
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Christian, I am male. |
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Thu Dec 2nd 00:24 2004 / #63 |
Aha Aha,
I am a scouser so among the biggest Czech influences in my life have been the amazing people who come to Liverpool:
Patrik Berger
Vladimir Smicer
Milan Baros
I go and see Milan Baros every two weeks and I would like to let all my Czech friends know he is in my home town a legend. He is very popular with the red half of Liverpool. I doubt he could walk anywhere without his fans following him.
I will get a Czech Republic shirt with Baros on while I am over in four weeks. I shouted for you during the 2004. Wish you could have won it.
I know its the wrong room, sorry. Don't know what come over me...
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Thu Dec 2nd 08:58 2004 / #64 |
And Boris Johnson?
This is not a Czech vs English thing.
"I am Czech but not from Prague. I can assure you that the Czechs admire the English people." Not being from Prague helps to have a rosier view, of course, as most of these
headbangers do not even stray out of the centre.
England is not represented by the misdeeds of the few and in a way they are the absolute opposite of essential English values - restraint, discipline , moderation and self sacrifice. I would suggest that these values are the ones that helped defeat the tyranny of Hitler and the majority of Englishmen still exhibit these qualities.
This minority though is a dangerous one. It affects not only the streets of Prague but also the streets of the UK, as Christian has pointed out.
Where does it come from?
The answers I gave relating to sexual frustartion were part jest and part truth. Christian's "piano leg" reference -referring to the Victorian habit of covering piano legs in order to prevent men from becoming sexually inflamed by the sight of a leg -is an extreme example which illustrates an underlying present day truth.
I also think that the media has to take a large part of the blame. UK Televison programme which humourosly celebrate small minded vulgarity are aired alongside others which sneer at it.The tabloid press is a more obvious example.
I apologise to you Christian if any of my remarks where rude. It comes from the frustration of seeing a great city turned into a weekend amusement park for the mentally and sexually deficient. I fully accept that you do not belong to this grotesque breed.
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Thu Dec 2nd 10:08 2004 / #65 |
Dr Ruth,
I could not agree with you more. I am sympathetic to your frustration. No offence taken.
Do you live in Prague at the moment?
Thank you I will. I am most looking forward to seeing the Opera House where Motzart gave debut to Don Giovanni.
The first time I went I watched a string quartet at a small concert hall it was breath taking. I will do that again.
I will have a few pivo's new years eve but I will promise to behave : )
Kind regards,
Christian |
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Thu Dec 2nd 12:57 2004 / #66 |
blah blah blah
build Las Vegas
i think Klatovy has space |
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Thu Dec 2nd 14:32 2004 / #67 |
You may moan,
The same is happening in England. If new gambling laws are passed they are going to recreate Mo Greens dream in every working class town.
VIVA Las Bolton!!! |
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Thu Dec 2nd 20:41 2004 / #68 |
Dr. Ruth,
since the Brits have historically been such superachievers (is there such a word?),
there must be something in their national character that made them so. They are tough and sometimes agressive, but otherwise they could not have have conquered so much of the world. Unlike most other nations, democracy and freedom is not something that is imposed on them, or something they have to learn, but is part of their character, they have it in their blood. And can you imagine what the world would look like if Britain never existed? A total nightmare.
By the way, Christian and Besty, for instance, are very nice guys and I think the vast majority of Brits is like them. |
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Fri Dec 3rd 00:43 2004 / #69 |
It's easy to conquer the world of course, when you're armed to the teeth and your slaughtering naked peasants.
Indeed, a super achievement. |
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Fri Dec 3rd 09:01 2004 / #70 |
The Third Reich were "naked peasants"?
What a novel persepective! |
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Fri Dec 3rd 09:38 2004 / #71 |
Yes. The English single-handedly beat the third reich. And "conquered" Germany. That's why Germany's called England nowadays.
Look up conquered, you retarded monkey.
The English are indeed the master race.
Fucking racists should be killed.Harsh, but
How I feel. |
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Fri Dec 3rd 09:40 2004 / #72 |
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I'm not saying that the English are racists! Don't misunderstand me.! |
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Fri Dec 3rd 12:20 2004 / #73 |
WO WO WO hangon....
Everything in European debates seems to go back to the war. It is like an episode of Fawlty Towers! lol
We are largely all at peace now lets keep it that way and love each others differences : )
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Sat Dec 4th 03:02 2004 / #74 |
Loads of testosterone fuelled angst here ....
Scarey!
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Sat Dec 4th 03:24 2004 / #75 |
big chief,
You give me down the banks and evaporated. What an increadible human you are, I noticed. Would you like to break the habit of a lifetime and actually say something?
Fingers crossed you don't prove me right, nugget.
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Sun Dec 5th 23:06 2004 / #77 |
Not sure what happened to my message there!!!...so am doing it again.
BLIMEY...a lot has happened on this post since i was last here.....!!!!
I would like to answer the person who posted under me....(numbers 10, 11, and 12)
Yes...i did see the castle....in the distance...looked quite nice actually!!!
Old Town Square...yep....had a really nice meal in one of the cafes right on the square, and saw the old clock (astronomical thing with lots of Chineese people lookig at it and loads of people taking pictures....nothing special!!).....Charles Bridge....yep...went right near it when i went to the Night Club just down the road to the left....had a FANTASTIC night there on Vodka Red Bulls!!!!!...got really quite drunk actually.....was not a yob though!!
Went of the FANTASTIC trams.....what a good cheap way to get to Red Lights Bar.....used it twice!!!
Our appartment was right on Wenceslas Squre.....in a doorway next to Marks & Spencer actually.....6th Floor with a rooftop terrace!!!!.....all for £250 for 2 nights....Bargain!!!
So i did see some of the culture......and as for coming over here and doing it...thats the point i made....YOU CANT....and thats why we went, and jolly good it was....highly recomended |
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Mon Dec 6th 02:14 2004 / #78 |
If british are so sexually repressed then how come we have the highest rates of teen pregnancy, the youngest age for first sexual experience in Europe, and an epidemic of sexual diseases spiralling widley out of control due to a prevelant culture of Casual sex or 'FREE LOVE' as it was once known in more romantic times! Nothing to boast about I realise but it does rather torpedo the whole stereotypical notion of The Brits as sexually repressed. Believe it or not things have moved on since the reign of Victoria things ar enow somewhat different. I 'm English and have a very healthy sex life. Though I always practise safe sex I've had many partners and have got up to experimental behaviour that would make any Belgian, Frenchman or god forbid even an Italian pale into insignificance! I draw the line at gimp suites and torture though, leave that to the Germans.
So anyway yes. Sexually repressed no. At same time I personally am planning a visit to Prague in January. I have no desire whatsoever to frequent any whore house or line the pockets of the Russian mafia Thank you very much. I've never slept with a 'pro' and actually think the whole business is vile and perpetuates the misery of many innocents trapped within it. Now I realise that many of my countrymen do not share this view and do get involved, but as has been rightly pointed out, they are not creating this trade it's there and being agressively marketed towards them. I have an Indian freind who recently returned, and was shocked out how prevelent and blatant the sex industry is in Prague, he could not go anywhere without being accosted in the streets and offered sex, and this ruined an otherwise trouble free enjoyable stay. I hardly think the English can be blamed with this, we don't control the Czech police or czech legislation. This should surely be stopped. Especially as it is controlled by criminals.
Now as for the drinking, true Britian is a land of beer lovers. As well as the architechtural beauty (I'm a keen photographer and am hoping to photograph Prague in winter) and many historical interests, YES beer IS a major reason for my visit. Along with the Germans our three nations are the Beer lovers of the world. I was lead to believe Czech republic is a place where Beer is a national dish, consumed with all meals and worshipped! Is Beer not a major part of Czech culture and therefore is it not toally legitamate for tourists to come to sample it and enjoy it? As for English drinking more than anyone else, not true Czech has a much higher rate of consumption than us.
The real problem is the cheapness of the beer and cheapness of the flights. This is attracting the 'cheapest' section of English society, the football hooligan types, who do exactly the same here, drink huge quantities very quickly and then go out and get in a punch up. But to judge England and the Enlgish by the behaviour of these is rather shortsighted and ignorant in the extreme. Enlgand's a prous nation, extremely polite , respectful and tolerant. Ok we have our idiots like everyone else. But that does not give you the right to make racist statements slating an entire nation of people. The reason youre getting them is youre offering them cheap sex cheap beer and you can get to prague for less than the train fair from London to Liverpool! So what do you expect? As for not seeing any Scottish or Irish behaving this way, thats probably because they are even lower than the English and cant afford it! dont kid yourself they are better cultured then the English. The Scottish are volatile in the extreme, always causing fights and created SUPER strength lager. They also take Heroin. Go to Glasgow. Watch Trainspotting. As for the Irish, when there not blowing up children, theyre drinking shed loads. My local irish club is the regular scene of drunken murders way out of comparison. To single out the English and try to claim we are less cultured then these types are so ridiculous that it is obviously just someones own jealousy towards England and the English speaking. After all we did conquer two thirds of the planet from our tiny island. Not a bad achievement. |
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Not a bad achievement? That's arguable. |
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Mon Dec 6th 02:19 2004 / #80 |
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...oh and we gave the world the genuis that was John Lennon. If you decide to persist with labelling us all 'trash' and ban us from Prague please take his image down from youre walls as well. Only fair. Thank You. |
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Mon Dec 6th 02:19 2004 / #81 |
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...oh and we gave the world the genius that was John Lennon. If you decide to persist with labelling us all 'trash' and ban us from Prague please take his image down from youre walls as well. Only fair. Thank You. |
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Mon Dec 6th 02:28 2004 / #82 |
By not a bad achievement, I simply mean given our gloriously succesful past, Imperialisticaly, militaristically, and culturally speaking, it's understandable the rest of Europe feels somewhat insecure in comparison and feels the need to 'take' Britian down a peg or two, this is the real reason for the English bashing that goes on. We conquered half the world, our language is used by half the planet, we liberated most of Europe from Nazi opression, and our artists such as shakespeare and the Beatles are loved and revered the world over. We have nothing to be ashamed of and are in reality no better or worse than any other country in Europe, just much more succesful. Sucess always breeds jealousy and jealousy breeds insecurity. Silly. But natural. That was my simple point. Thank You.
p.s oh and we also won the soccer World Cup 1966. Beating the Germans 4-2. The greatest victory of all and alas I almost forgot it! |
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Oh and as for bashing us on the imperialistic front, the French, Italians, Germans, Spaniards and of course the Russians, who like the Czechs are a slavic nation, ALL had large empires conquered by force...as of course did many non European nations such as the Turks and Arabs. So we can hardly be singled out and condemned ther either. |
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Mon Dec 6th 11:26 2004 / #84 |
"As for not seeing any Scottish or Irish behaving this way, thats probably because they are even lower than the English and cant afford it! dont kid yourself they are better cultured then the English. The Scottish are volatile in the extreme, always causing fights and created SUPER strength lager. They also take Heroin. Go to Glasgow. Watch Trainspotting. As for the Irish, when there not blowing up children, theyre drinking shed loads."
Ah such pathetic comment from one who probably has a minimal brain size to fit his minimal skull cavity.......... Spell check your ignorant and fascist stereotypical retort/s before displaying your obvious ignorance, stupidity and arrogance Brittania (Britannia) Gloriana (doesn't exist).
It is refreshing to see such a lively debate some 15 years on when before it would not have been permissible - although the dissident voices would have identified themselves to strengthen there comment. My wife is Czech, I am British although further scrutiny of my identity would narrow that down to Scottish. We live in Prague. We agree that drunken behaviour is abhorrent - anywhere, any time - although it is not wholly exclusive to Prague. If it is to be successfully addressed - then the legislators have to address it. That is only suitable for the Police then to enforce 'it' if necessary and only when it is necessary. Will these new powers distinguish between the 'louts' arriving in Prague for there debauched weekends from the other 'visitors' and 'locals' alike who may extend to 1 too many when enjoying themselves only then to be targeted by the malicious. If indeed these new weekend marauders are in groups then they should be policed in groups. Maybe special task forces (e.g.-the Ibiza police with guns and night batons - and who are not afraid to use them, water canon and tear gas), private security gorillas - possibly localised vigilante groups could protect the sacrosanct Prague and deliver and protect it from the 'new evil' adorning it. No doubt the list could go on........... If it is to protect 'culture' as seemed to be the common thread earlier in the discussion then in exactly what context is 'culture' being used here. It would seem that in this discussion 'culture' has indeed reached an all encompassing terminology bereft of any specific meaning. No doubt this will receive some lively debate from the socio economic hacks that have divested there time reading Freud and Jung whilst gazing at there Che G. posters and digesting fundamentalism.
I will post back with even more of a diatribe later as now I have to depart and enter the real world - duty calls. My wife has spoken and I must act.
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Mon Dec 6th 11:43 2004 / #85 |
There's nothing wrong with a little national pride, and Britain does have plenty of reasons to be proud. To be honest, Brittania Gloriana, you had me until your last paragraph, in which you condemn people who make "racist" statements due to the behaviour of a few people, then do the very same thing about the scots("watch Trainspotting", indeed.)
Of course John Lennon's background was almost wholly Irish, but that's beside the point. By the way, YOURE NOT JOHN LENNON. You be proud of your aborigine murdering empire of more than a century back, and Ireland can be proud to have one of the strongest economy's in the world today and of being recently rated "the Best Country to live in" by the Economist(Britain with it's drunken violent pigs, crowdedness, racism--of which you have just given a prime example, my simple-minded friend, etc. etc. was number twenty-three--God Save the Queen!) |
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Mon Dec 6th 11:51 2004 / #86 |
"Sucess always breeds jealousy and jealousy breeds insecurity"
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Mon Dec 6th 13:03 2004 / #87 |
"Ah such pathetic comment from one who probably has a minimal brain size to fit his minimal skull cavity.......... Spell check your ignorant and fascist stereotypical retort/s before displaying your obvious ignorance, stupidity and arrogance Brittania (Britannia) Gloriana (doesn't exist)"
Sorry but it's a fact. My local Irish club has a constant stream of murders. A postman round here was killed by Irish tinkers just a few months back. They intimidate the elderly and act like the vilest sort of scum. In comparison English are cultured and intelligent, even if we do like the occasional drink. In 25 years I've only ever been violenetly attacked once on a night out, and it was by a Scottish thug. Every Scot I meet sadly seems to have a chip on his shoulder, theres a race constantly resorting to violence at the drop of the hat., Anyone who'sd actually visited Glasgow and then visited London will know which is the more 'civilised' and you can call me all the childish names you like in the world my Celtic pal (I notice you said 'British') nothing is going to change that.
The reason Scots and Irish arn't causing trouble in Czech Republic is quite simply, cheap as it is, Scotland and Irelnad still has a lower standard of living then Most in England, and they simply, in general, cannot afford it.
To be honest I was looking foward to my trip to Prague. I'd read up on the internet and in books and it seemed a warm freindly place, with cultured intelligent people. I'm now considering cancelling my booking, reading Christians comments. I can't believe the czechs treated him, a visitor to their country like that, emptying bins over his table, and refusing him enbtry to places on grounds of his race. Disgusting backward behaviour. Arrogant and Ill cultured. No Czech would ever be treated that way in England, Yes I understand they are having to put up with our hooligan element, but again as someone said if you turn you're country into the cheapest whore house and piss up venue in Europe you are going to attract utter scum. Theres no use blaming the English and certainly no exuse to be ignorant racist and insulting towards us. |
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Mon Dec 6th 13:06 2004 / #88 |
Jocky,
I agree largely with Britannia. I have a strong suspicion he is also a fellow Scouser. Although, there where more than a few unjust swipes at the Scottish and the Irish which I could not condone. You are all equal in my eyes.
As for the Che G poster, I am more likely to have a Stevie G poster. I have not got a PHD in Socialism but do not crucify me for reading something different. The toilet can be a lonely place without a good read.
The above quote:
"Success always breeds jealousy and jealousy breeds insecurity"
Didn't Yoda say that in the phantom menace?
I suggest that culture is the expression of man through the products of human work and thought. Diversity is the aspects of life that make people different.
I like this quote by Mexica poet Octavio Paz:
"What sets worlds in motion is the interplay of differences, their atractions and repulsions. Life is plurality, death is uniformity. By eliminating different civilizations and cultures, progress weakens life and favors death"
Paddy,
John Lennon was born on Mrtyle Street Maternity Hospital 1940. He grew up in Menlove Road. I know 640 000 irish passed through Liverpool in the early 20c. I for one have strong Irish ancestry. I am afraid Lennon was born and raised in England. He never spoke to his dad who was an alcoholic until very late in life and only briefly. You can not claim him as one of yours sorry.
We give the world John Lennon. You give the world Rhonan Keating. (Who my mother adores unfortunately)
You seem to have a bee in your bonnet with the English.
"it's drunken violent pigs, crowdedness, racism"
Is that a postcard from Kilkenny : )
Did you know the biggest immigrant population in England is Irish?
I hate to piss on your upside down burning Vauxhall viva in the middle of a council estate with horses galloping round it, and toothless simpletons talking about the ceasefire.
Put your HELLO magazine article down and look out the window 'Paddy'. That car they are hotwiring might be yours!!!
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Mon Dec 6th 13:12 2004 / #89 |
John Lennons blood was not almost wholly IRISH what a ridiculous thing to say. His mothers ancestry was entirely English, both his parents were born and raised in England and he never once visited Ireland in his life. Sorry to break this to you the man was English. Yes his fathers father was Irish. Thats it.
Bob Marley another great figure who preached peace and understanding to the world also had at least 50% white anglo saxon blood running through his vains, loved England, and supported Tottenham Hotspurs football club.
Ignorant Europeans and insecure Celts, still smarting over being conquered centuries back, may want to believe England is a land of neanderthal beer drinkers. But anyone with an ounce of sense, who ISN'T prejudiced knows that not true in any way shape or form.
p.s Czech are not the only people who have to put up with drunken tourists. I spent New Years Eve 2000 in front of Big Ben surrounded by drunken German youths swigging beer making fascists salutes and shouting Heil Hitler thinking this was no doubt jolly good behaviour for a visit abroad. |
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Mon Dec 6th 13:17 2004 / #90 |
"Ireland can be proud to have one of the strongest economy's in the world today and of being recently rated "the Best Country to live in" by the Economist(Britain with it's drunken violent pigs, crowdedness, racism--of which you have just given a prime example, my simple-minded friend, etc. etc. was number twenty-three--God Save the Queen!)"
How come it's perfectly acceptable for every other nation in Europe to be proud of his country and history, but as soon as a German or Englishman does we are accused of being RACIST. *SIGH* how tiresome. |
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Mon Dec 6th 13:18 2004 / #91 |
Ok, I have an honest question for someone who is english. Does anyone know where, and how this culture of stag parties began, and why is it perpetuated by the English. The reason people are attacking England is because that is the nationailty of people that are constatnly acting like idiots in the streets. The italians tend to have their own of traveling together as well. I m not saying these things are all that bad, Im just curious as to why anyone would want to sleep with a nasty prostitute right before they get married.
As for the subject regarding whether it is somehow Prague's fault because they have a lot of Bordels here I would like to make the analogy that this sort of thinking would blame the columbians for making coke, or the afghans for making heroin. It is the peoples own decisions that are only to blame. So don't blame the scottish for using Heroin, its really the afghans fault. Demand drives supply, sorry it dosn't go the other way around. |
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Mon Dec 6th 13:28 2004 / #92 |
I hate to turn this into an English versus Irish debate, In general I actually quite like the Irish as most English do, (any nation which gives us Guiness and Father Ted isn't all bad, Boyzone can be overlooked) but sorry I'm not about to be told by an Irishman we are less cultured and more violent than them.
o.k we have a history of Imperialism but so what. So does most of Europe. Thoise were different times. The empires been disbanded for over half a century.
But what relevence does that have to now?
Does nobody remember the Holy Cross primary 2001? School children terrorised and traumatised by grown adults, urine chucked at them , bombs exploded all over religious divisions? How cultureds that? And when has that happened in England in the 21st century..or ever? I'm not even going to mention Omagh.
I think the only reason most Europeans have a good view of Eireland is because they have such a short sighted view of the English! If they actually went there, or lived with a large Irish majority, which had waged a campaign of terrorism on them, a campaign in which children were slaughtered in shopping centres, they'd soon change their tune. |
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Mon Dec 6th 13:38 2004 / #93 |
OK if demand drives supply, and the English are causing it, why are there not whore houses on ever corner and on every shopping centre in England? Prostitution is far less common here then in most over European countries? If us English love prostitues so much whys that?
See the thing is because of Czech being so cheap in comparison to England unfortunately you're attracting the cheapest element of visitors. Hooligans and drunkards. But you;ve made a major mistake assuming that's a yard stick to judge the English by. It is not part of our culture to sleep with prostitutes before getting married! Or sleep with prostitutes at ALL. Its not something I'd ever do or anyone I know.
We DO in general have a hard drinking weekend based culture though. This is possibly a result if our liscensing laws over the last century. The cafe culture of medditeranean countries is not the same in England. The pub and drink is a central feature for many's weekends. Violence doesnt neccesarily ensue. As I say I'v eonly ever been involved in one such occurence in thousands of drunken wekeends. In general we just let our hair down and have a fun good time. Same with stag nights. Prostitutes are rarely involved. Well there certainly not compulsary in anyway.
I think whats happened is the hooligan element has poisoned people abroad towards us, and perhaps were not terribly popular anyway because of our past and the jealousy it breeds. Now most English, drink or not are still respectful, but imagine YOU went abroad and people emptied bins on youre dining table, refused you entry to premesis and insulted you and you're country. Would you be inclined to treat those people with respect? exactly. |
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Mon Dec 6th 13:44 2004 / #94 |
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Imagine if people came into your country speaking a foreign language, were extremely annoying, and disrespectful to the local women (not the prostitutes). I think they deserve more than a bin overturned on their table. sorry |
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Mon Dec 6th 13:56 2004 / #95 |
"Imagine if people came into your country speaking a foreign language, were extremely annoying, and disrespectful to the local women (not the prostitutes). I think they deserve more than a bin overturned on their table. sorry"
True but christian didn't do any of these things did he, neither did he intend to and neither would I. So by persecuting people like Christian and myself just on their race the Czechs doing this are actually just making themselves look like the biggest uncultured yobs in Europe. This is not how we would treat any Czech or any other visitor to Britian. I'm sure their Roma population who rioted not so long ago would agree, the Czech's are far from whiter than white. Respect is a two way street. |
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Mon Dec 6th 14:06 2004 / #96 |
"To endow the writer publicly with a good fleshly body, to reveal that he likes dry white wine and underdone steak, is to make even more miraculous for me, and of a more divine essence, the products of his art. Far from the details of his daily life bringing nearer to me the nature of his inspiration and making it clearer, it is the whole mystical singularity of his condition which the writer emphasises by such confidences. For I cannot but ascribe to some superhumanity the existence of beings vast enough to wear blue pajamas at the very moment when they manifest themselves as universal conscience."
ATTRIBUTION:
Roland Barthes (1915–1980), French semiologist. �The Writer on Holiday,� Mythologies (1957, trans. 1972).
Now where was I. Like the quote Christian - and I would never put down a man for enjoying a good read whilst executing one of lifes passages.
B G - I bet you're just a big cuddly fur ball who is just feeling a little unloved just now - and so close to the festive season as well. Sorry to read of your life's scar - it had to be one of my lot that beat you up although if we traced back his lineage - who knows what his true identity really was. That's the irritation about this thread - 'identity'. B G you confuse British and English a great deal - as well as others I hasten to add. If it is only the English - then identify them thus. As for cheap racist swipes at the other nations that make up the British Isles - bad form. You should still come to Prague - no point in wasting the ticket, take some pictures, Prague is 1 of the recognised higher education centres for photography (my Field by the way) sample it's multi faceted night life and see for yourself all there is to see. If it just happens to coincide with a binge visit from whatever Nation has sent it's sons to get plastered, risk sexually transmitted disease and survive to boast about it when back home - then isn't that just part of life's rich tapestry. As for the bigoted and racially motivated attacks on us poor 3rd world countries that make up GB - bad form. If you are a scouser - and indeed you certainly are a football fan - then please - settle down and think of the team you support and what nationality the players were/are before going off on a rant.
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Ps - Wembley England '66 - great achievement - Wembley '67 the end of your ascendancy - check the score. The rugby achievement rates more in my eyes and as a Scot - I cheered for you and celebrated the victory with my English chums - and didn't beat one of them up when I got drunk......... I do have a massive chip on my shoulder though - she's is called Petra - my beautiful Czech wife and inspiration |
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Mon Dec 6th 14:08 2004 / #97 |
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The point is not whether you or christian are engaged in these sorts of activities. The point of the matter is that you fail to see that there is a problem coming from a certain country who consistantly act in a certain manner. This is how stereotypes are formed. Is it fair? of course not. But I think you have to acknowledge the fact that people from your country are acting as terrible ambassadors, and it's no fault but their own. Don't blame the czechs, blame your fellow countrymen for creating the situation in the first place. |
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Mon Dec 6th 14:16 2004 / #98 |
Well it's true Identity is a funny thing. I am in fact from just outside of Liverpool. I am English entirely on my fathers side, on my mothers side her father was of mixed Scotch Irish Celtic extraction and her mother, my grandmother, was French Sinti Romani (Gypsy) from Normandy. So I have a mixed heritage. I am proud of all my blood including the celtic blood, but it angers me the way people on the continent feel it's acceptable to be abusive an racist towards the English.
I'd love to visit Prague, it looks beautiful, but I'm certainly not going to visit a country where it seen as acceptable to empty bins on people, throw change at them, and refuse them admission to resteraunts, just because of the country they come from. Thats disgusting behaviour in my opinion and people that unpleasant I would rather not mix with. It's a shame, and I'd love someone here to tell me the Czechs do not behave like this and Christian is mistaken! |
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Mon Dec 6th 14:23 2004 / #99 |
Richard there are sixty million people in The U.K the hooligans who visit Prague are at best say 40,000? is that fair? even thats about 800 a week so maybe alot! youd have riots. but lets say that IS fair.....even then thats less than 0.01% of our nation. Why should we the other 99.6% have to suffer because of them. The fact is Prague has turned itself into the Eastern European version of Amsertdam. It's marketed here as somewhere you can fly to for cheap Beer and cheap sex. Are you suprised the English who choose to go are the tiny minority of hooligans. Maybe Prague should market itself different. Ok the cheap beer can be kept, but the prostitution could esily be stamped out by the authorities, and that would be a good start.
England are not proud of the tiny minority of idiots we have, but at the same time they are just that a minority, and it doesn not give Europeans the right to abuse us, treat us like scum and think this is perfectly acceptable. Work with us to combat the hooligan element from all countries, we are more than willing. |
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Mon Dec 6th 14:33 2004 / #100 |
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Mon Dec 6th 14:39 2004 / #101 |
Ah - now I have to side with B G here - which taking his words " England are not proud of the tiny minority of idiots we have, but at the same time they are just that a minority, and it doesn not give Europeans the right to abuse us, treat us like scum and think this is perfectly acceptable." It would be churlish to believe that all English scum - make England scum and the rest of the inhabitants - scum. A generalisation and stereotypical view point that is both unwarranted and inaccurate. As is your own generalisation of us drunken, drug injecting, wife beating, children eating Scots/Irish (no mention of the Welsh) I hasten to add GB. The valid point is that the vocal and rowdy drunken yobs that are seen in Prague are probably the same ones that go out each weekend whilst at home and do the very same thing there. It's just unfortunate they saved (or robbed) enough money to come to Prague to do it here. "Work with us to combat the hooligan element from all countries, we are more than willing." A rousing end to the last post - which does require a willingness from the Czech authorities somewhat.
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Mon Dec 6th 14:46 2004 / #102 |
So, would you say the same things about the Americans traveling in Europe. That they are widely stereotyped because of a general ignorance about their country? Trust me the Anti-Americanism is much stronger than the Anti-English(don't even know if that s a word) sentiment. In fact Anti Americanism is so widely accepted that some countries leaders even run for public office on an anti american platform.
The truth is that people form general opinions about an entire culture based on a few experiences that they've had with their countrymen, and you are perpetuating this sort of ignorance by saying that the " czechs" would not be welcoming towards you because of your nationality.
Truth is that if you come to prague I highly doubt that you would receive any special treatment just because of your nationality, if you act the way many of your fellow drunken whore house attending ambassadors do, then you'll probably not be treated well. I really don't think you'd be a problem, and there are plenty of english people who are respectful and polite, I don't doubt that at all. But, you have to aware of how and why these stereotypes were formed in the first place. I know it sucks to be generalized because of your nationality, but its just the way the world is, and right now I m sorry to say that many english tourists are thought to be these uncultured yobs because that is what people see here all the time. Sad, but true. |
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Mon Dec 6th 14:47 2004 / #103 |
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Lol..Yes I'm well aware The Irish and Scots are worthy people too. As I pointed out my grandfather was from Bonny Scotland, and proud of it, so I can hardly be too anti Scotch. The Irish are cracking blokes too, (when theyre not bombing us and stuff). I was just pointing out the view Europe gets of the neanderthal Britians worshipping Satan and going out into the world baby killing, while the harmless cute cuddly gaelic types site around at home playing the panpipes and chanting for peace at stonehenge is actually not quite accurate! |
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Mon Dec 6th 14:55 2004 / #104 |
I think the Americans 'party goers' don't generally come to Europe. For them it;s not so cheap being further away. I'm sure like ALL countries america has planety of drunken oafs, trailer park trash, but they probably do there partying and low class whoremongering across the border in Mexico or in their own backyard at Vegas.
The reason you have such a problem with English, is not because we are inherintely uncultured or worse then anyone else, but that Prague is being aggresively marketed towards British males as a 'party' capital somehwhere they can come and behave outrageously, in ways they wouldnt back home, and all at prices affordable to the very lowest stratas of our society. These types arnt the brains of Britian at the best of time, and I guess they forget that Prague is actually not a party venue for Brit's but somebodies beloved homeland. I can totally understand why Czechs would be annoyed seeing the Brits turn up there, flashing cash and using their city as one big drunken urinal, before flying off back home again.
But being rude and abusive towards Britians is hardly going to change that. Its just going to encourage the bad behaved Britis to act with even less respect, and the well behaved Brits, like myself will get a bad view of the Czech people, and not even bother coming. So really the situation would just get worse. What Prague needs to do, is stamp out the Sex industry and work with Britian to put a stop on the companies advertsing Prague as a 'stag venue'. |
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Mon Dec 6th 15:19 2004 / #105 |
It would be marvellous if we could all participate in this discussion in a historic Czech bar. You certainly all are a assembly of colourful and interesting people.
I would like to point out that although I had bad experiences on my 2001 visit. It was not as bad in 2003. I think my 2001 group where at a disadvantage from the start as we all come from the (voted in some paper) friendliest part of England.
I would boldly state that when I travelled on to Kutna Hora and finally Sedlec we met a beautiful Czech girl on the train. She started laughing at our jokes and got talking to us. She offered us a lift to Sedlec in her 1982 Skoda. She droves all the way there and we offered her a drink. She joined us for maybe an hour telling us about the local area and enjoying a few laughs. All I can say is what an 'angel'. How friendly. A credit to humanity.
We also signed up a young Czech lad by the name of Pavel (Not that famous goalie) on a bosman. He navigated us with great efficiency through the clubs and bars for around ten hours. He had to go home at 9am. Again a gent and fellow drinker.
These are just one of dozens of stories I have of the fine public in Prague.
I did regret some bad service but I would never tar the whole country with the same brush.
I think you just need to have your wits about you and smell an oily rat when there is one looking at you and seeing a 1000kc note : )
Only three weeks to go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! : )
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Mon Dec 6th 15:41 2004 / #106 |
Hi,
Thought I might add:
I have already booked myself and some friends on a flight to Brno in May 2005. I am looking forward to going to the house where Milan Baros and taking 87 pictures of me keeping a football up hahahaha
I have grew my hair like him and fingers crossed my atkins diet should be kicking in by then...
I will be wearing my Baros '5' shirt beginning to end. I look forward to recieving complete respect for your national hero.
I am also looking forward to meeting Czech people outside of the capital and experiencing their character and high jinx.
All you Czech people of Brno may be horrified to realise a new Easyjet route runs there now. You should be recieving the cream of the English Aristocaracy (and me) in the immenent future.
I hope the yobs don't ruin it for me before I arrive. I don't want a bin in my KFC again hahahahaha
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Mon Dec 6th 15:43 2004 / #107 |
Hmmm...well maybe I'll keep an open mind and give prague a go....I can put up with ignoring the seedy side of the city, and the taxis trying to rip us off. Thats to be expected. Tourism anywhere. As long as the people are friendly and nice.
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Hmmm. I am not Irish. And my "crowdedness, and racism" remark wasn't meant. I was merely sticking up for the Irish that you made the racist remark about. I'll stand by my "you are not John Lennon" remark. Live with it. Read my post again. I clearly stated that the English had a lot to be proud of as a nation. Unfortunately, they also have racists like your good self. Something, unfortunately, most countries struggle with. |
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Mon Dec 6th 16:06 2004 / #109 |
Britania,
I am from Liverpool. I could make a point about the relative dangers of Prague. My Christmas Schedule is
Berlin > St Helens > Prague > Budapest > Cambridge
There is only one place in this list I am going to get in to trouble because of my birthplace. You would know Britannia that is 100% fact that that is St Helens.
I am going to pretend to be a German Tourist and prey for my life while I visit my parents for a week over Christmas : )
Seriously, Prague is Excellent. Don't let the few oily rats put you off. I am looking forward to trying my arm at robbing a few rats this time actually. Nothing giving them a taste of their own medicine.
I am not the kind of person to get robbed by Skoda revving, sausage and Dijon munching, deodorant swerving peasants anymore. (I do know your police are a loving bunch of gentle giants so I will be careful)
Its not just Prague anyway. Two pikies tried to rob my phone on the bus home in Cambridge last night! I said to one of them �go and rob some condoms because you are going to get your arse burst in jail you thieving pikey cnut!�
For some reason he backed off? Just amusing thought I would share…
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Mon Dec 6th 16:17 2004 / #110 |
Hmmm. I am not Irish. And my "crowdedness, and racism" remark wasn't meant. I was merely sticking up for the Irish that you made the racist remark about. I'll stand by my "you are not John Lennon" remark. Live with it. Read my post again. I clearly stated that the English had a lot to be proud of as a nation. Unfortunately, they also have racists like your good self. Something, unfortunately, most countries struggle with.
When did I claim to be John Lennon? The point I was making was it's rather racist of Czech people, and others to concentrate on the idiotic minority in England, and conveninetly ignore all the good, despite him being plastered over walls in Prague. Englands given the world far more than a few hooligans, our good massively outweighs our bad,
As for me being a racist. If you think an Englishman saying he is roud to be English is a racist act then that makes YOU the racist my freind and me the patriot. ;) |
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Mon Dec 6th 16:23 2004 / #111 |
Fair enough points Chritian. I will go to Prague with an open mind and hope they are hospitable and freindly and repay the respect and good manners I intend to display them, in equal measure. It will be upsetting if they don't because of the English hooligans but there you go, I'll get over it, hopefully it won't spoil my trip!
I've already been learning a bit of czech at least, so I don't look like just another stag weekender beer monster, but alas, my grip of foreign languages being what it is, I think they'll still figure out I'm from good old Blighty in any case!
Any tips for some 'freindly' places to go Christian...where you dont get the garbage bin tipped on you? lol |
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Mon Dec 6th 16:50 2004 / #112 |
"Hmmm. I am not Irish. And my "crowdedness, and racism" remark wasn't meant. I was merely sticking up for the Irish that you made the racist remark about."
In the same vein I was merely sticking up for the English who have also been subjected to a torrent of unfair racial abuse in this thread. I wasn't honestly suggesting that the view I was giving of the Scots and Irish was a fair and balanced one. But then neither is the one here being given of the English. It's easy to put countries like Ireland up on a pedestal when you ignore all there bad points. Just as it is equally as easy to demonise the English when you ignore all their good. Ok it;s factually correct some English behave like yobs abroad. It's equally factually correctt that Irish have killed children with bombs and can act equally as rowdily and violently in the U.K. But to point that out and use it as a justification for racist abuse is unjust, whoever the recipitent.
My honest view is the Rose tinted view continental Europe has of Eire and Scotland, is purely down to irrational anti English feeling. Because our economy is not too bad either, and we both have our fair share of violent drunks. Nothing much between us.
Perhaps I am a racist, who;s to say who is or isn;t, but my traveler partners to Prague in January are my two best freinds from childhood, one a sikh asain, and the other afro-carribean. So, why I'm not denying you may be correct, if I am a racist I'm certainly a bizzare one. |
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Mon Dec 6th 17:04 2004 / #113 |
Britannia,
But bin water is the most adventurous garnish I have tried. It could only improve a Zinger surely...
Barcelona
I am planning on moving to Barcelona to live. It is what Blackpool should have been haha. I strongly recommend a week here in summer. I was there twice this year.
I went to Michael Owens debut at Espanyol earlier in the year. In the stand with the Real Madrid fans they shared their sandwiches with us and give us like these nuts? Hats off!
The weekend we went we got to see Bez of the Happy Mondays DJ in Razzmatazz (a incredible club) half indie half electro dance. Very friendly crowd. Lots of people who want to help you get the best out of Barca.
This place is top of my list at the moment. The people here are friendly and easygoing. I would struggle to have a bad word to say about this majestic city.
THERE IS A POINT…
It is a valid point actually the stags in Barca seem to behave?! My housemate is Catalan and he never mentions the problem with them from he is over there once a month.
Mind you I think it would be a brave Englishman who sampled the ladies of the night there as the 'Ladyboy' is the weapon of choice... eww
There are a myriad of flights from BMI Baby, Easy Jet and Ryanair that service Barcelona. There are lots of stag weekends. How come they behave?
Part of it may be that whores are not offered every two steps in the main centre. Cabbies did not rip us off either in the centre? I would conclude this occurring more in Prague is a symptom of people not having much money which is less the case in Barca.
Barcelona is not MUCH more expensive than Prague before you bring that up. The same yobs that go to Prague could afford Barcelona.
Do you think the Prague yob may be reduced by reducing the perverse marketing that is shoved at you every time you walk anywhere?
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Mon Dec 6th 17:14 2004 / #114 |
I think it's the beer that does it though. As soon as youre average brit ben sherman boy heres the words 50p a pint he's straight down the travel agent with 50 of his mates booking his tickets for the next week. I honestly don't think the sex is a factor for hardly any, but when they are in Prague boozed up to the eyeballs and its shoved down their throats they are bound to indulge? Personally I'm going to enjoy the beer, in hopefully pleasant relaxing freindly atmosphere, sample some of the local cuisine and take some great photos with any luck. Not a single prozzie will get any where near my wallet unless its by pickpocketing means!
Im guessing beer is not so cheap in Barcelona, or if it is, then Ben Sherman boy and pals are yet to cotten on to it! |
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Mon Dec 6th 17:21 2004 / #115 |
I agree with the Brittania Gloriana profusley on his later points.
I joined this post as I felt as many others now do that the English where getting an unfair bashing. It is noted that initially there where no English to defend their country.
This was one sided for so long but now it feels like the English are represented. It can only be good for this debate to be more than one sided.
Anyway Britannia, Betsy lets all meet January 1st and watch Premiership : )
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Mon Dec 6th 19:54 2004 / #116 |
Well, I agree with you, Brittania Gloriana, and I certainly don't want to get into a pissing contest on the superiority of Ireland or Britain. To be honest, I don't care which is "the better country to live in" or which country has killed the most innocents throughout history.You can battle it out with someone else on these complex subjects.
But if you disagree with statements stereotyping British people because of a minority's bad behaviour, why, o why, would you do the same thing? Be proud if you want, I don't care, I really don't. I'm not saying that Brit's are bad people. Half my friends are British: unfortunately, I guess one of them is Scottish. So, clearly I have no taste in friends. English people have great senses of humor, most of them I've met have anyway.. I've also met some supremely arrogant Brits, but I've never met an English man that acted the way these Prague stag party people do, so rest assured, I think you guys are okay.
I guess I'll repeat myself for the third time and say there's nothing wrong with national pride and that England has a lot to be proud of. should I repeat it again, so that you can remember. I'll trust that three times is enough.
You're so hellbent on calling me Irish, or racist, that you don't bother to read my posts. |
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Tue Dec 7th 02:35 2004 / #117 |
Last anon,
If you don't pick a name it is hard to know who you are. Are you the guy who posted #85? That was the source of much debate. If not then many of these points are not aimed directly at you. That is why you are repeating yourself.
I have a feeling you have your wires crossed, as genuine as you seem.
People don't be anon people. Put your fingerprint on life. Choose a name even if it is just your cats name. Then we all know who is who.
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Tue Dec 7th 06:47 2004 / #118 |
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Um, sorry, I was number eighty five. |
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Tue Dec 7th 11:07 2004 / #119 |
I guess I just feel that the ironic thing is that there really are steps being put in place to try and curb English stags from continuing their behaviour in this country. Currently there is a bill (not sure what it is called in czech) to prevent large stag parties from taking over the center.
the ironic thing is that the English in this thread seem to be saying that the czechs should do something about curbing the marketing towards these stag parties, and then in the same breath say that English people do not behave this way. The fact is that a few english people on stag do act this way, and that is why the legislation is being proposed. It's too bad, but a few rotten apples does ruin the whole barrel.
Most people don't see people like Christian and Brittania becaue they are well behaved like many of the english tourists are, people however do hear the drunken stag mating call almost every night in prague, and there accents are definitley english. sorry, but its true. Don't blame the beer, or the prostitutes in the center, there is only one nationality that consistantly acts in this fashion, and that is why people think this way. They aren't trying to gang up on the english. If your argument is that it is the fault of the cheap beer and prostitutes is correct; why is it predominantly one country that is causing the problems. I ve yet to see a drunken spanish or french stag party (not sure if stag parties are even part of their marriage ritual there) acting this way.
Read the original post in this thread, in it you will see that the police here say that british citizens make up 20 percent of the crime in this city. This was not just pulled out of a hat, there is some amount of truth to it, otherwise it would not have become so heated on both sides of the debate. Many people want to voice their hatred for the stag parties, and the english of course want to save face, and say they are not like that.
I think in reality the English are now feeling the heat of their own actions much the same way that Americans are constantly generalized as a country. It sucks to be lumped in with a bunch of idiots, and I can understand why they would be offended, however Americans (I am American by the way) are stereotyped because a lot of Americans are really annoying, religious, and ignorant about european affairs, just as the perception of the English has now become a stereotype because of the actions of a few. Nobody says that this is the best way to think, however it is reality. Hopefully these measures to curb the stags from taking over the center will be put into place, however it won't happen overnight, and there is a lot of work to do, and how to tackle the problem without putting off the more sophisticated english tourists will be a very complicated endeavour. |
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Tue Dec 7th 13:22 2004 / #120 |
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If you don't care which country is the better to Live in, why did you take great pains to point out that Ireland is! It was you who started that line of argument NOT me! I was simply pointing out, a survey in some magazine is hardly expereince of actually living in said country. I have Irish and Scottish freinds too, they're no better or worse than the English, though it's true the Scots in particular do in general seem to have a hatred of The English, I guess they took being colonised very personally. |
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Tue Dec 7th 13:29 2004 / #121 |
"Don't blame the beer, or the prostitutes in the center, there is only one nationality that consistantly acts in this fashion, and that is why people think this way."
Absolute racist rubbish. Suggesting nationality holds sway over individual behaviour! I've seen Germans, Italians and Turks acting exactly the same way in London. People are all capable of drunken behaviour,we are all human beings, all equal, the country you hail from means diddly squat! People just single out the English because they feel inferior to us. Thats not on. |
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Tue Dec 7th 13:44 2004 / #122 |
I am travelling to Prague with two friends from Liverpool and two friends from Cambridge. Over there I am meeting two friends from Paris.
None of us English lads would consider going with a pro. Out of the question. On the contrary my two French friends are treating the whores as one of the main attractions.
They already have a plan of which whore places they are going to and one of them is bringing a cam so he can make a porno. One of them is bringing drugs to take to enhance this experience.
These people are not from Huddersfield, or Luton, or Dorking, or Bristol, or Newcastle, or Birminghm, or London, or Liverpool.
They are from Paris Skippy 1121 |
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Tue Dec 7th 13:51 2004 / #123 |
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Well, you can meet a lot of your fellow countrymen in the center. Don't worry they will be easy to find because they are really loud and obnoxious. Don't hear a lot of people screaming in French or Spanish here. Maybe Turks, and Italians act this way in England, but they just aren't represented this way here. |
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Tue Dec 7th 14:10 2004 / #124 |
Ok, I finally have to post some things that seem to be overlooked in all this nonsense
1.Wasn't the original article taken from an english publication?
2.Would you disagree that 20 percent of the crime in prague is created by British citizens?
3.Why do you think there is legislation in place to try and control English stag party goers?
4.One can not be racist towards a nationality, racism is based on your skin color. If I asked you what race you were, I bet you'd say white, not english.
5.If you are coming here with 4 or 5 friends you are not really a stag party of 20 "yobs", so you don't really apply to the bashing. You are confusing yourself with the gangs of drunk young english "yobs" who are on stag.
6.I don't think people are bashing the engish, they are bashing the stag parties, who, in prague, are almost always english.
You all need to calm down a bit. |
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Tue Dec 7th 14:11 2004 / #125 |
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Isn't that probably because theres simply more English going there then French and Spanish..therego by logical extension a greater number of hooligans? Plus the companies marketing Prague as a sex and Beer heaven mostly target England alone, because we have money. That said you cant convince me 'The English' are hooligans, because guess what I am English and live in England so I have a fairly good idea of what we are and what we are not! |
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Tue Dec 7th 14:19 2004 / #126 |
"Would you disagree that 20 percent of the crime in prague is created by British citizens?."
No Certainly not. I totally understand that Prague is attracting the lower element of English society, who predictably are loud noisy, direspectful and cause trouble, and that is why they are mistankenly jumping to the conclusion that this is reflective of how the British behave in general. It isn't.
"One can not be racist towards a nationality, racism is based on your skin color. If I asked you what race you were, I bet you'd say white, not english"
I wouldn't say white. Though I am White. Race isn't based on colour and English is a race not a nationality, my nationality is British, because I come from great Britian. Not everyone who lives in England is English but they are all British. Race is simply a term for the genetic group you spring from. 'White' is a very broad term and there are many different white races, Slavs, Germans. Being prejudiced towards someone because of the community they spring from, is racist, regardless of colour. Look what the Serbs did to the Albanians and Bosnians. |
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Tue Dec 7th 14:48 2004 / #127 |
I am not going to swear : )
"Well, you can meet a lot of your fellow countrymen in the centre. Don't worry they will be easy to find because they are really loud and obnoxious. "
- H1
Yes H1 all English are the same that is how I will notice them.
What an intelligent point you have made. Why did you get out of bed you monkey? You’re an apology of a person. Go and eat bananas you small minded time waster with your monkey friends.
10 000 sperm and you where the fastest? There is no god...
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Tue Dec 7th 15:19 2004 / #128 |
"Maybe Turks, and Italians act this way in England, but they just aren't represented this way here."
You forgot the Germans, in London they are possibly the worst because, like us there fond of a beer and rowdy when drunk! The Turks tend to be quite violent and confrontational, whereas the behaviour of the Italians towards the women is often very shocking, very seedy lewd comments, and hands all over the place. In contrast I agree with Christian, the Spanish are very well mannered lovely people, I have a Catalan freind Pepi who is salt of the Earth and terribly funny. The French don't tend to cause any trouble in general, most I've met have been thoroughly nice, though there is an age old rivalry there, and occasionaly they can be a bit arrogant, much like us English! Eastern Europeans? They tend to stick together even in London so I've never got to no any well enough to judge them, but I havn't very often seen them get rowdy and out of control.
Now OK I realise ALL the above are sweeping generalisations, possibly innacurate, and the same sort of limited experience stereotyping us English have been getting here, but I thought it would be interesting for the non English reading here to see how other nationalities appear to us, and how correct you think it is! Maybe you can draw parrelels with your own opinion of English people., |
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Tue Dec 7th 16:12 2004 / #129 |
H1,
Further to Brittania's points.
Turks
I have a friend in Bosnia and she has traveled in Turkey as she is non-EU and this is an easy place to go. A guy on a train tried to wank on her. As she is blonde guys constantly rubbed against her and grabbed hold or her and sexually harrassed her. Many times in groups of men mauled her and grabbed at her breasts when using public transport. This happened constantly as she travelled. She was lucky not to have been raped by these savages.
Italians
The Greek resort of Korfu has banned Italians from many of the clubs. There are signs 'No Italians'. This was due to the constant influx by cheap ferry from Brindisi. There was a wave of violent sex attacks on women and sickening sexual assaults including many instances of rape on girls who travel there on holiday.
English
Start fights, sleep with whores, do drugs, sing football songs, don't go and see your sights (HOW DARE THEY!!!), don't learn a language spoken by one country in the wold (HOW DARE THEY!!!), put a few million in your weak local economy that the government endlessly bungle and let slip to the russian mafia.
A half decent police force would have this sorted out in weeks. Who are you actually trying to kid? This is not the 3rd Reich invading. It is baza, gaza and daza from chorley. Are they too much of a match for your policeforce?
LOCK UP YOUR TOWN THE ENGLISH ARE INVADING. WITH THEIR COLOURFUL LANGUAGE AND WANTON DISREGARD FOR MUSEUMS!!
Is this whole thing a wind up and I have underestimated your dry eastern european humour? |
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Tue Dec 7th 16:33 2004 / #130 |
Wow, You've just managed to classify and generalize entire populations of other countries. I thought most of your previous points were all about how every country has a few bad seeds, and that most of the people who actually reside in the countries don't refect this nature.
This thread is about English people on stag, I challenge you to find one post saying that this is the English peoples fault. Even the people you've been disagreeing with have constantly said that it isn't the English people, it's the stag parties.
I do believe that other countries have their fair share of terrible men as well. But these situations don't effect people in Prague. Yes they may be worse in other countries, however this dosn't discount the fact that here in Prague it is the English. Remember the original article was written for an English publication! It's not a bunch of anti-english propaganda put out by these evil people trying to undermine English people.
I don't know how many more ways you can think of to try and legitimize this kind of behavoir. One second you're saying that you shouldn't paint everyone with the same brush, the next minute you're actually making a list of different nationalities and lumping them all together with the most abhorrent conduct you could probably imagine.
Seriously, you will be treated well in Prague. You know this as you have visited here before. The fact will still remain, however that because of the actions of a few, in this country many people will regard you negatively because of your poor ambassadors to this region. I really don't think you're a bad person, but you need to open your eyes to the fact that here in the czech republic people base their steretypes on what they hear, and see, much like you do in your own sweeping generalizations. |
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Tue Dec 7th 16:48 2004 / #131 |
Have a break - have a kit kat....... Or try this for a moment of distraction...
http://www.malevole.com/mv/misc/killerquiz/
And back to the lively debate. Irrespective of who's the loudest - irrespective of racist rants - irrespective of the whys and wherefores - if it is marketed as is then it will be bought. Demand/supply/price. Therefore - stop the marketing as GB posted earlier and the 'supply' element is removed. Most stags are organised by the 'best man' and selected by stag elements - all of which are available in Prague - and at a perceived low cost - fact. The failure of the companies that do market these 'stag' visits should be culpable for the actions of the clients. So - if they are going to be continued to be offered and problems occur because of them - then hit the companies that made the trip available in the first place. A few fines will soon stop them offering the deals in the future. If the 'vocal' are English - it is not the English Nation per se that is at fault and certainly not any other English speakers that should be held to account. That is just hysterical rhetoric - and there is a great deal of that in this thread. The money spent by these stag events has got a financial incentive for customer and supplier. So if it is still going to be offered - either put up or shut up...........
BB
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Tue Dec 7th 16:49 2004 / #132 |
"This thread is about English people on stag, I challenge you to find one post saying that this is the English peoples fault. Even the people you've been disagreeing with have constantly said that it isn't the English people, it's the stag parties."
But hold on a sec isn't that exactly what people are saying that its only the English stag parties causing the hassle no others. Im certain one person here said English are all trash and should be killed or something equally sensible. Presumably that person WASN'T english. lol
And if Europe does like us so much after all..how come you never vote for us on Eurovision. c'mon guys give us a break ;) |
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Tue Dec 7th 16:56 2004 / #133 |
"I don't know how many more ways you can think of to try and legitimize this kind of behavoir. One second you're saying that you shouldn't paint everyone with the same brush, the next minute you're actually making a list of different nationalities and lumping them all together with the most abhorrent conduct you could probably imagine."
Thats not what I was trying to do, or Christian either I don't think. Its just somebody did say look guys its just ONE nation constantly behaving like this (ie the English), But we were just pointing out thats not true, its quite possible to do exactly the same to most other European countries, they all have their idiots who behave shockingly when abroad, the English are not the culture free neanderthal rampaging through 'CIVILISED' Europe! Thats the racist view. what I was trying to show is that negative generalisations, albeit it generalisations based on fact and personal experiences, are possible to be made againt every country, so its noe an 'English disease' were all equal and trying to single out one nation and say they cause all the trouble is very unfair, vfery incorrect and really is going to do nothing but create more problems, rather than solve them.
If you didnt like reading innacurate generalised comments about your nations, then please do not do the same to the English because we feel the same, despite what Hollywood would have you believe we're not all icy cold blooded master villians...we are actually quite sensative folks with real feelings like everyone else. be nice to us please. :) |
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Tue Dec 7th 17:00 2004 / #134 |
H1,
I have never defended yobs nor the things they do. I do struggle to believe that police force can not cope with them.
I would love to hear the Czech police response as it is embarressing for them that their force can not do there job and enforce order. Right?
A point this discussion CONSTANTLY over looks.
We are not up against the Elite Republican Guard here it is just a bunch of little muppets with passports.
Pay off my master card for me and I'll police prague myself. I could not do a much worse job from what this report implies.
You brought Turks and Italians in to it #123. The stories I told you are first hand experience of Italian and Turk 'yobs'.
Not very nice are they in the yob economy. I am sorry you did not get my point.
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Tue Dec 7th 17:04 2004 / #135 |
In prague, yes it is mostly the english STAGS (don't confuse english stags with the english people) who act this way. in other countries maybe not. This thread is about english stags in Prague, not turks fondling girls in the tram.
You'd have to blind not to believe this. Don't blame other people who market it in a certain way, or the czech police, take some responsibility for your own actions. |
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Tue Dec 7th 17:06 2004 / #136 |
It had occured to me that perhaps the police 'are under instructions' from some source to allow this and not police it, because obviously the British stag groups are bringing in alot of money, presumably. Ok I realise all the money in sex industry goes to criminals, but they too are capable of 'spreading that money around' to the right people to ensure there lucrative business runs smoothly.
As I said the sex industry in Prague holds no interest for me. I'd gladly see a Prague free from both prostitutes, strip bars, and rampaging yobs of ALL nationalities. These things no doubt spoil an otherwose beautiful place, hence the understandable anger. But banning all the English, not only is it illegal and impossible, it wouldn;t solve anything. Better policing in Prague just might. If the yobs start to get locked up, they wont be flocking there quite so enthusiastically. |
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Tue Dec 7th 17:12 2004 / #137 |
You'd have to blind not to believe this. Don't blame other people who market it in a certain way, or the czech police, take some responsibility for your own actions.
Sorry to be blunt but If you allow you're city to be a toilet people will p*ss in it. Clean it up and they won't. That simple
What came first the English or the strip bars? Ok, the English people at large does have to accept these yobs are our fellow countrymen, like it or not, and make moves to combat this. Many of them already have their passports confiscated before football matches to prevent them travelling abroad. we DONT deny this exists and we don't deny we have a responsibility to try and combat it. Fair point. But the Czechs also have to take some responsibility, work with Us, for a start by no longer allowing things in Prague which act as a magnet for the lowest of the low from all corners of Europe. Why don't the police just shut these sex clubs down? |
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Tue Dec 7th 17:15 2004 / #138 |
The Police for me have everything to do with it. They are failing to do their job. I understand you pay 33% tax. It should be used properly I am sure you would agree/
The English police are generally regarded in high esteem at controlling crowds and policing on a large scale. I would point to Euro 96 as the massive example. One in which the Czechs greatly enjoyed a fantastic time in London with no problems from rival fans.
Why not have a pilot scheme where the British police cover some patrols around Prague 1. I feel this would be an excellent oppertunity for the Czech police and English police could learn from each other and make Prague 1 a more enjoyable place for natives and holiday makers.
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Wed Dec 8th 10:59 2004 / #139 |
Big Banana - your comments are most welcome in this turpid angst ridden steam room. A breath of pure Caledonian air.
I find that Brittania Gloriana is an extremely tribal but that he speaks some sense. Please understand that there is no hatred of the English and no one tipped a dustbin on poor Christain's soggy dumplings.
The problem is cheap beer, cheap flights and cheap people. Many nations visit Prague and get drunk. No other terrorises the population and finds the sex industry so exciting to the degree that they go beserk in the streets.
Again I will say I have never seen a Welshman or a Scot act in the same way. It all seems to be tied up with sexual repression and small minded nationalism.
I say again this is not an attack on the majority of Englishmen or England but a small vociferous minority. In fact the English are preffered over most other nations. This is not a Czech vs English thing - it is a decent majority vs an indecent minority thing.
Prague should never have to "shut down" its clubs becuase of this problem. These are freedoms which we enjoy also and fought for.
BG made reference to his sexual prowess on this board.
"and have got up to experimental behaviour that would make any Belgian, Frenchman or god forbid even an Italian pale into insignificance!"
I am most interested to learn of these experiments and what was the outcome? As a researcher this information is most valuable to me.
Danke,
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Wed Dec 8th 11:44 2004 / #140 |
He did tip a dustbin on my soggy dumpling! I kid you not. I have three witnesses.
Do you live in Prague Dr Ruth? What reasearch are you interested in? Sounds like you are in the right place.
Many thanks,
Christian
P.S. I did actually take a leaf out of Dr Ruth's book and did some amateur research myself.
I located the official crime statistics of Prague. This would have made very interesting reading. However, they where only released in Czech.
I did find the highest reported crime was street theft. I would love to find the full information in English. |
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Wed Dec 8th 13:34 2004 / #141 |
"Again I will say I have never seen a Welshman or a Scot act in the same way"
Again I would say that's probably because there are not very many visiting. If you visit Cardiff on a Saturday night you will see that it is actually one of the very worst places in the U.K for drunken noisy behaviour, ditto Glasgow. I'd suggest you actually visit these people in their homeland if you;re serious about the research. The Welsh are wild believe me. When I;ve been on holiday and theres welsh girls there...whooooah! look out thats all I'm saying. Charlotte Church is of course the U.K'S queen of Chav and her regular drunken bust up wit her ghetto fab b.f's keeps the tabliods alive here!
Also I'd have to point out that this is the UNITED kingdom, and has been for many years, since 1601. We are all very much mixed together and contrary to what Hollywood would have you believe the Scots no longer where war paint, Kilts and speak Gaelic. The drunken males you hear giving the stag party 'war cry' in English are just as likey to be Scots or Welsh, or even more likely a mixture of all three U.K nations English, Scots and Welsh. Again contrary to popular belief segregation is not in place in the U.K lol.
I'm also interested in what you say Dr Ruth because it does seem quite clear that in Europe the English generally have a bad rep, while the other nations making up the U.K do not. I've often pondered why. I do think it comes down to the fact that alot of Irish and Scottish left England for America. These types, as well as funding terrorists, have a romantic view of their own history and as a result films such as 'braveheart' and that awful film 'the patriot' all depict the English as nasty and the Irish and Scottish as peace loving opressed types. I think this is the real danger of Hollywood and the new age of American cultural Imperialism, it rewrites History in a way entirely pro american and anti anyone they dislike! If you believe Hollywood they single handedly won World War II wihtout any help from anyone. Point of reference that U Boat film a couple of years back, that was actually English but in the Hollywood version it has now become the Americans!
Anyway if you visit the U.K you will find in general we all get on. Theres of course healthy rivalry at football, but we are not divided as the ex celt American lobby would love you to beleive. And sadly neither is the romantic view of Scotland Ireland and Wales. Scotland has the highest rate of alcoholism in the U.K, and in genral Scotland can be quite a dangerous place. The 'Glaswegian Kiss' believe me is not a pleasant experience however it may sound!
As for my sex life, I'm far tooo shy British and repressed to share the details with you of course ;) But again come to the U.K if you're that serious about you're research.... |
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hey!:)I love glasgow, I actually went to school there a few years ago. Many English people I meet still think that Glasgow is full of drunk buffoons, however I felt really safe there (mind you, this was my first experience with europe, and I was coming from chicago) so I guess that point is pretty moot. anyway, I would agree that there is a lot of bashing of the english there, but altogether I really enjoyed my stay, and would recommend it to anyone. I did travel to London, and while I was staying there I felt much less safe (of course it is a much large city). It's probably a good thing you're typing bad things about glasgow from the safety of your home, because you know if any Glaswegian heard you saying these sort of negative things with your english accent about their city they would give you a nice big "glaswegian kiss" on your forehead. The great thing about Glasgow is that as an American the hate the English a lot more than Americans. very friendly city:) |
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Wed Dec 8th 14:02 2004 / #143 |
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Glasgow is much like London, theres very good areas and very VERY bad. Thats the simple point I was making. This seperation people are making between the English and Scottish is totally fals, and not a bit unfair. Everywhere in the U.K's major cities behavious is much the same, race or nationality doesn't come into it, and it does kinda of make you question the motives of those trying to bring it into it! |
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Wed Dec 8th 14:08 2004 / #144 |
You'll also notice that though the Scottich are obsessed with the English, and yes you will here alot of anti English sentiment, in London theres nothing of the sort. You might here moaning about the French, the Germans, americans. asylum seekers..but nobodies ever bothered about the Scots. Until we play football. :P
Either way they can give me all the glaswegian kisses they like its not going to change the fact they were conquered by the English, so really they should get over it, especially as they now have their own parliament and the past is the past. Were all linked anyway, its like cousins in the same family backbiting, but we love eachother really. My grandafther was Scottish, Gordon clan, and one of my most serious relationships was with a beautiful girl from north of the border..so there you go! |
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Wed Dec 8th 14:16 2004 / #145 |
"Glaswegian heard you saying these sort of negative things with your english accent about their city they would give you a nice big "glaswegian kiss" on your forehead. The great thing about Glasgow is that as an American the hate the English a lot more than Americans. very friendly city:)"
Also...one last point.. doesnt that kinda prove what I was saying anyway? Terribly freindly place where the natives are full of xenophobic hatred for thei neighbours and react with violence to any criticism! civilised? And I hate to point out also yet again an American stirring the pot and trying to provoke trouble between the UNITED kingdoms! |
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Wed Dec 8th 16:19 2004 / #146 |
"an American stirring the pot and trying to provoke trouble between the UNITED kingdoms! "
"its not going to change the fact they (the scottish) were conquered by the English, so really they should get over it"
who's stirring the pot? |
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Wed Dec 8th 18:17 2004 / #147 |
Not stirring the pot at all. The Scottish were conquered by the English, historical fact, and that's the only reason they have to be 'anti English' which many of the Scotttish, as our amercian freind rightly pointed out sadly are? Not all, but a signifcant, and vcal minority.
The whole of Europe has grown up and forgiven (if perhaps not forgotten) much worse transgressions by the Germans just 60 years ago. Because we all recognise living in the past is not a healthy thing, so why thendo some Scottish people insist on holding a grudge for something that happened 600 years ago under the reign of Edawrd I. Hardly helpful, and hardly condusive to building a peaceful world with mutual respect and cooperation. If that makes me a pot stirrer..gee i guess so. lol |
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Wed Dec 8th 20:06 2004 / #148 |
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All I know, is thank god for prague tv. Now I know the Turks, Italians are "savages." Let's kill em! |
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Wed Dec 8th 20:43 2004 / #149 |
Every country has its savages. its a human disease you know..and shucks were all human..lets agree were all human...turks italians, english, mongolians...all have a scumbag element...all got a bit of the ape left in us, whatever slab of land we choose to call home. There annoying but killing them all sounds supsicously close to Nazism to me....then you could just be joking you funny guy you...lol
Theres a better question...which country in Europe has the best sense of humor? |
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Wed Dec 8th 21:44 2004 / #150 |
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Definitely the Czechs get my vote for the best sense of humor. |
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Wed Dec 8th 23:23 2004 / #151 |
Christian and BG,
Tonight on TV Nova there were two adverts for beer. One showed the famous fire at the National Theatre and some line about "another one" - the other for Budvar showed two Brits discussing the Czech Republic. The advert was in English with Czech subtitlles and showed two Marbella types discussing the "Czech paradise". One guy questions the other saying he is "full of it" the other gives him a swig of Budvar and he goes into a trance.
The trance involves a kind of orgy of all things Czech - beautiful women and something involving carp! Very funny.
"come to the U.K if you're that serious about you're research.... " Is that an invite? I will bring ny ruler.
What you say about the "wild Welsh" and the Scots is interesting. I have never had the pleasure of spending a Saturday night in Cardiff - I understand that they have a thing about leeks? Tom Jones of coarse (sic) is famous for distributing his underwear to middle age women. Aled Jones was involved in some way with an individual called "The Snowman"?
Dr. Ruth. |
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Thu Dec 9th 12:32 2004 / #152 |
hahahahaha come to the UK Dr Ruth it is a universe within itself. You only have to drive 15 miles and people have a different accent and different ideas and cultures. It is very rich in this. I think you would find many interesting things. Certainly try Glasgow and Liverpool. They are very friendly.
Some of the poorest cities in England seem to be the friendliest. Is this the same in the Czech Republic? People in these places seem to stick together and help each other.
On a slight tangent,
Last night I went to see Liverpool who had to win by two goals to stay in the Champions league. With a goal down and only 40 minutes on the clock our hopes look dashed.
We played sublime attacking football filled with vigour, guile and beauty and saw the Greeks off 3-1. It was very emotional a night few of us will ever forget.
I have had the greatest year of my life and this was the icing on the cake.
I will be in a very jolly mood in Prague. This Englishman won't make any trouble. You will notice me as the fat Milan Baros.
Nice one,
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Thu Dec 9th 13:53 2004 / #153 |
Written by Glorianna: "Not stirring the pot at all. The Scottish were conquered by the English, historical fact, and that's the only reason they have to be 'anti English' which many of the Scotttish, as our amercian freind rightly pointed out sadly are? Not all, but a signifcant, and vcal minority.
The whole of Europe has grown up and forgiven (if perhaps not forgotten) much worse transgressions by the Germans just 60 years ago. Because we all recognise living in the past is not a healthy thing, so why thendo some Scottish people insist on holding a grudge for something that happened 600 years ago under the reign of Edawrd I. Hardly helpful, and hardly condusive to building a peaceful world with mutual respect and cooperation. If that makes me a pot stirrer..gee i guess so. lol"
Glorianna,
In a typically pompous, ignorant and insensitive manner you are completely missing the fucking point. The Scots are unhappy about the ENGLISH because the ENGLISH are still occupying Scotland you fucking twit. Scotland as a country does not exist. It is not listed in any internet country registry. That alone is a big fucking problem. Another problem is that the English are pretentious, bombastic and just plain arrogant. For you to think that the Scots need to "mature" out of their resentment of the English is childish and just plain stupid. Give the Scots their freedom give them independence and then you can talk all of the shit you want to. But the truth is that it will never happen. Why? Because without the North Sea oil reserves England would be well fucked. Scotland on the other hand would hafve all the rights to that area and would consequently have a boomtown economy and a seat at the big table in geopolitical terms. This is an idea that the typically retarded, regressive and colonolialist English just can't bring their arrogant idiot selves to face. The Scotts are victims of English imperialist policy and that GLORIANNA is the truth so you can take the rest of your puerile twaddle and stick it straight up your arse. |
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Thu Dec 9th 14:27 2004 / #154 |
"English are pretentious, bombastic and just plain arrogant"
You just told everyone your an idiot. Good work.
Jocky �IF’ everyone north of the border was as hate filled and angry as you I would love us to give Scotland back.
�IF’ this was the case I would vote for you getting your finger out of our pie every time! We would live happily without you I think. As long as English taxes go on the English and Scottish taxes go on the Scottish. If everyone was like you that is.
With your new freedom would you set about making:
Your own language
Your own alphabet
Your own currency (you could call it the haggis?)
Why not make your own Calendar as well?
Catalonia has a strong argument for separation only they have their own language too. Them clever Catalonians :)
In the end the road you pave would lead to civil war. There would be a scene out of braveheart only with all the jocks in ellesee tracksuits wielding basball bats. hahaha
We might not be so kind as to sell you the arms to defend yourself.
Luckly, all scottish are not like you. There are enough charming, inventive and charismatci people north of the border. The relationship must be sort of working to last for 300 years or so?
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Thu Dec 9th 14:35 2004 / #155 |
But if it had been the other way round and the English had been colonised by the Scot's then now YOU'D be the pompous arrogant twit wouldn't you. Thats the point. England should hardly feel ashamed for being the stringer nation. We're not bullies who conquered a weaker peace loving people. The Romans, who conquered all of Europe from Britian to Palestine, didnt dare venture into the war like Scot territory, they instead built a wall to keep you out! Thats the way of the world countries, especially in 1400, claimed terroitory by strenth. Scotland tried it's strength against England and lost. Hardly makes you a 'VICTIM' of English Imperialism.
At the same time you're showing you're ignorance anyway. Scotland is Not COLONISED today , it's in a UNION with England, a union started in 1603 when the Scottish King James VI (Our James I) filled the vacated throne of Elizabeth I in 1603. Hardly the English colonising and conquering. Your KING filled OUR throne not the other way round. We are still in a union despite devolution and all our resources are pooled together, Scotland benefits from English resources just as much as we do from Scotland.
You;ve just displayed EXACTLY what I was saying. The English are in general rational and pleasant with no ill feeling towards their neighbours. We're as some Scots are irrationally full of xenophobiuc racist hatred for their neighbours, a hatred without any basis in fact and reason, and it's them and their mis informed ill intentioned supporters in the United States (hardly a place noted for it's intelligence and sensative grip on world affairs) which cause all the trouble and sadly is setting out to tarnish the image of the English abroad for their own racist agenda. |
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Thu Dec 9th 14:41 2004 / #156 |
"English are pretentious, bombastic and just plain arrogant." and no its just me (but then I am quarter Scottish) ;)
my vote for best sense of humour goes to the Scottish... :) |
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Thu Dec 9th 15:31 2004 / #157 |
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English don't hate the Scottish as much as you hate us...jealousy perhaps? ;D |
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Thu Dec 9th 17:12 2004 / #158 |
"occupying Scotland you fucking twit. Scotland as a country does not exist. It is not listed in any internet country registry. That alone is a big fucking problem."
Englands the same..were both part of the u.k. If Scotland doesn't exist in present state of affairs than neither then does England.
Hmm a Scot growling and swearing every two seconds..Glorianna got you all wrong obviously. |
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Thu Dec 9th 17:50 2004 / #159 |
I found a picture of this angry jock:
http://www.scallycentral.com/Postbag/images/firstnewslottery 6.jpg
Love it. Sorry lol
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Thu Dec 9th 17:58 2004 / #160 |
If Scotland doesn't exist as a seperate country or anywhere on the internet you need to tell these two sites pronto:
www.scotland.com/
www.scotland.org
www.visitscotland.com/
Be quick...theres hundreds of others too!
Oh and you'd also better visit these two sites and tell them they don't run their own country after all, part of a 'union' with England , Wales and Northern Ireland, and they are in fact occupied by a hostile English Army of occupation, guns in the streets, there to suck you dry of you're oil. Gawd it's Iraq all over again..only no one had actually noticed them till you pointed it out brainy sweary Scottish type fella! Three cheers for you!
http://www.scottish.parliament.uk
http://www.scotland.gov.uk/
(I think that's the real problem with the Scottish..they talk utter boll*x!) |
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Thu Dec 9th 18:34 2004 / #161 |
"Why? Because without the North Sea oil reserves England would be well fucked. Scotland on the other hand would hafve all the rights to that area and would consequently have a boomtown economy and a seat at the big table in geopolitical terms. This is an idea that the typically retarded, regressive and colonolialist English just can't bring their arrogant idiot selves to face. "
What a total PRICK you really are! The sooner my beloved England gets free of you blood sucking parasites the better! Last year we recieved 14 million pounds from your oil, however, we had to send you pricks 44 million pounds, a short fall of 30 million, ( do the maths it's not hard, even for you! ). We could spend that on the English NHS and sick children, instead of feeding your kestrel super strength piss heads, thieves, drug user's, infact..fuck it..lets scut the crap.. all of you! ugly haggis munching ginger haired tossers. Take your country and @#%$ off! English taxes should be spent in England and not on thick scottish twats who's only concern is where the next bag of smack is coming from! Britan our past, England our future! So @#%$ right off jock! |
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Thu Dec 9th 20:20 2004 / #162 |
I think that Scotland has benefited greatly from its union with England. Without it, it would be a backward, obscure country with an obscure language. As part of the UK, the Scots are as admired in the world as the English are.
Smilarly, most Czechs won't admit it, but this nation has greatly benefited from its historic ties to Germany and Austria. Without it, it would also be a backward country. I am only sorry that German is no longer our language, as it was for most Czechs in the early 19th century. |
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Thu Dec 9th 21:07 2004 / #163 |
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It does make me laugh though how after 400 years of Union, the COMPOSITE countries of the United Kingdom still cannot get on. How on Earth is the European Union ever going to work! It will be one bigger version of the English-Scottish rows we've had here, but with even more combatants and all arguing in different languages...oh how i look foward to that! lol |
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Fri Dec 10th 07:20 2004 / #164 |
Christian
"Your own language" Are you really so ignorant?
The Scots have their own language, its called Gaelic.
"At the same time, a number of Highland chiefs were kidnapped and forced to agree to the Statutes of Iona, a set of laws designed to Anglicise Gaelic society and to bring it forcibly under control of central government. Among other things, it required all men of wealth to send their children to the lowlands to be educated in English, adopt and support the Protestant faith, abandon their weapons and a number of their specifically Gaelic institutions, such as poets."
MacKinnon, p34-6; Lynch, p241-2; ?? Baoill and Bateman, p5-6. |
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Fri Dec 10th 08:20 2004 / #165 |
I personally hate all things Cornish. My blood boils at the sight of the Corns plowing across the Somerset border and defiling that noblest of counties. The Corns in their Austin Maxis learing at our women with their Cornish tin miners eyes. Isn't it funny how such a historiaclly innacurate series as Poldark has been brought out in a boxed CD set. Why? The secretive and devilish Corns hold sway in the corridors of power and seek to promote all things Cornish to the detriment of decent god fearing Somerset folk.
Down with the Corns and their hated citadel of debauchery, Truro. |
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Fri Dec 10th 09:24 2004 / #166 |
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Oh yeah? Well, as a corn, I hate you somersettians. i think that you people are scum. Plus you talk funny. The sooner Cornwall has it's own place on the world stage, the better, if you asks me. |
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Fri Dec 10th 13:41 2004 / #167 |
Proud Scot,
Could you pretend it is not the 5th Century and answer these questions:
How many people today converse in Scottish Gaelic in Scotland?
Do local councils provide their documentation in Gaelic similar to the Welsh do?
Do many Scottish businesses hold meetings in Scottish Gaelic?
Would you say you have a competent command of the Scottish Gaelic language?
Listen Jocky along with Cumbria CORWALL also has its own version of Gaelic. CORISH GAELIC:
http://www.searchspaniel.com/index.php/Cornish_language
Regional Gaelic is like a toastie machine. Everyone has one lingering round but no one has uses it. To claim this is still your national language is clutching at bottles of Buck Fast.
Next thing you will be telling me Cornwall want to separate. YOU HAVE HAD OUR PASTIES FOR TOO LONG!! VIVA TRURO!!!
Catalonian is spoke by Millions everyday, you can't compare.
Christian
p.s. I admire that you are proud to be Scottish.
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I use my toastie machine quite frequently, thank you very much. |
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Fri Dec 10th 14:38 2004 / #169 |
The thing about Scotland and the Scottish is that it's a myth they've ever been a unified peeple with one language. They are a mixture of barbarian picts, gaelic celts, Normans, Danish Norse, irish and English. They have as much germanic blood as celtic.
The Scotti, a were an Irish tribe, who croseed over into western Scotland but never very numerous, the picts were the the real power, so their country is named after a foreign tribe unlike England, which at least come from 'Land of the Aengles (English)' .
The united scottish 'race' as such is just a myth. The English founded Edinburgh in 639 and ruled most of the South, and the North was ruled and controled by Norsemen from Norway and Denmark. So they;ve rarely been a unified self ruled state either. They are a mongralised hybrid of different races.... Scottish is really just a convenient geographic term for a grouop of different people living on the same land mass. The only thing that has ever united these people is their hatred of the powerful UNITED english nation south of the borrder, and I think thats why they cling on to it so preciously.
in the words of the late great Bob Marley IF YOU KNOW YOU'RE HISTORY..THEN YOU WILL KNOW WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM'. |
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Fri Dec 10th 14:46 2004 / #170 |
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Actually have you ever been to Newquey on a Saturday night Christian? Much worse the Prague I'm sure....full of English holiday makers getting pissed up and causing chaos....yes it won't be long before The United Peoples Republic of Cornland unlatches itself from the mainland and floats out to see claiming independence from us bothersome English types, no doubt. |
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Fri Dec 10th 14:58 2004 / #171 |
Not meaning any offence to anyone here but I hate the fucking english!! A load of sheep ~ frightened to stick up for themselves ~ keeping up with joneses ~ well' its not our business!! Wankers! They conform to others peoples expectations all the time ~ they have lost their indivualality! and like the yanks what they haven't been able to buy in the past they stole it. I don't have any english blood in me thank the gods! Mother scottish ~ Father irish. Scotish side ~ jacobites ~ decended form the grahams and Mc Ewans ~ Elspbeth Mc Ewan one of the last witches to be burnt in Scotland!
Its sad ~ a way of live dissappearing! So much beauty out there and people just don't see it. I brought my children up to see it ~ none of them are prejudised in any way. Gord ~ I do go on ~ sorry. |
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Fri Dec 10th 15:05 2004 / #172 |
None of them are prejudised (sic) eh ..except against the 40 million odd 'F*%$ English' and the 150 million uncultured yanks? presumably.
Nice. |
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Fri Dec 10th 15:13 2004 / #173 |
Maz,
"Not meaning any offence to anyone here but I hate the fucking English!! "
Then incongruently went on...
"I brought my children up to see it ~ none of them are prejudiced in any way."
We prey your children do not grow up as mentally challenged as you. Your shallow minded synopsis of the English unveils what a complete cretin you are for everyone to see.
Nice to see you trying your best to speak HRH the Queen's English.
Christian
p.s. What happened to that Jock earlier on. He has more brains in his little two than these other two government statistics. COME BACK LAD ALL IS FORGIVEN!!! |
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Fri Dec 10th 15:24 2004 / #174 |
"Elspbeth Mc Ewan one of the last witches to be burnt in Scotland!"
I wish they'd make an exception and burn one more....lol |
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Well exuse me! i do have brians actually! and no my children arnt prejudicssed. hating the englis is very deep rooted in my ancestry! I come from the scots who fought the english not the ones that sucked up to them! Just because I have this dislike doesn't mean I walk around saying 'I hate you' all the time. I was born in Islington and brought up in Boston Place, marylebone - right opposite a f...... enormous brick station wall!! so I suppose that makes me english so if you live with them one has to tollerate them.But I do think on the whole thay are a lot of spineless arseholes. They are weak - they ellect a government to work for them then they work for the government . .Take the recent war. The people did retaleate and say NO we don't want to go to warbut did the government take any notice? No - they just did what they wanted to do because they knew the public wouldn't protest any further!! weak! I rest my case. These are personal feelings but it doesn't mean I go around being rude and nasty to people. These are feeling kept well under control unless some Englis jerk raises the red and white flag! |
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Fri Dec 10th 15:37 2004 / #176 |
hm. Now if an English man said hating blacks for example was part of his ancestry...he'd be shouted down as an arrogant rude RACIST twat. Funny how it's ok for the scottish to be openly racist to others though.
Perhaps because, unlike the English, theyre so insigificant no body cares.
p.s Scotland joined in the war too, and what did the Scottish people, Scottish parliament and the tons of Scottish M.P'S at westminster do to stop it? nothing. so if were weak..well you work it out. lol |
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Fri Dec 10th 15:49 2004 / #177 |
"If Scotland doesn't exist as a seperate country or anywhere on the internet you need to tell these two sites pronto:"
I said internet registration dipshit. Check any country list in any internet registration form and I guarantee that you will no find Scotland. And if the the English are such lovely and forgiving people than why not give up your rights in the North sea? Show how good sports you truly are, how highly advanced your culture is.
To think that anyone would be jealous of an Englishman is the pinnacle of arrogance not to mention stupidity. The English no longer have anything to be proud, only the questionable actions of people long dead, people that no modern Englishman can hold a candle to. of they have betrayed themselves internationally and at home to be just as ignorant and pathetic as the people they claim superiority over.
The English are a hopelessly retarded society that has mistaken delusions of grandeur for good intentions. They condescend to their neighbors telling them that it is best to be a part of the "union" but the fucking union is over and at the end of the day all the English will have left is bloody old England and the freakin Australian outback. As it stands now england has been reduced to a laughing stock, a mangey, flea bitten lap-dog of the US. How fucking pathetic is that? Being at the beck and call of somebody as stupid and obviously insane as G W Bush. Good on yez you Limey twats you've done splendidly well for yourselves and judging by the inane contributions on this thread the new generation will make short work of anything that the English have left to be proud of... LOL so very just... |
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Fri Dec 10th 15:53 2004 / #178 |
Brittannia Gloriana,
It's not okay that this guy says this shit against the English.
It's hard not to get bent out of shape when you hear this kind of thing. Believe me, as an American living in Europe, I probably hear similiar things three or four times a week. In the end, fuck 'em. There's always going to be people who think this way, in every country. They're not going to do anything else to you though other. Just call you names. Like coward. lol |
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Fri Dec 10th 15:55 2004 / #179 |
Ok Everyone,
My Grandad went to fight the Germans, my dad fought at Goose Green then went on to serve protecting the streets of Northern Ireland. I grew up in Liverpool, a city raped and pillaged by the Vikings. My dad is Irish. Did you know they where enslaved by the Icelandic so bang them on the list too. OO yes the Roman Empire. They butchered a few of my relatives. The Amada, the hundred years war, the Boer war where do you stop:
Therefore, in 'MAZ WORLD' I hate:
Germans
Italians
Japanese
Northern Irish
Southern Irish
Norwegians
Swedish
Icelandic
Italians
French
Boers
In reality I don't. It is preposterous way to live. I am bigger than that as most people are. The world moves on and we most learn to co-exist in peace.
Maz,
Can you see how comical your point is?
Listening to you a person might thing the Vikings will be landing on our shores at any minute.
I am surprised you have internet access in your cave!!
Thank you very much for proving our original point that arseholes don’t just come from England. Here is a prize one from North of the border.
Britannia,
You have hit the nail on the head it is this sort of small mindedness and anger that leads to real serious problems in today’s world like racism and xenophobia.
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Fri Dec 10th 16:08 2004 / #180 |
"The English are a hopelessly retarded society that has mistaken delusions of grandeur for good intentions"
You could go and register .sco you lazy bastard.
you could make your first website:
www.miserable-tight-monaning-jock-cunt.sco
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Fri Dec 10th 16:14 2004 / #181 |
Sorry for swearing everyone.
I feel angry with this person. It is horrible when you are hated for nothing. What have I done? He/She/it doesn't even know me.
I am not the first person to experience this look back through the darker pages of human history.
I sympathise with the American people who often get spoke about poorly through generalisation and ignorance.
I will try harder not to swear, sorry.
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Fri Dec 10th 16:14 2004 / #182 |
Sorry for swearing everyone.
I feel angry with this person. It is horrible when you are hated for nothing. What have I done? He/She/it doesn't even know me.
I am not the first person to experience this look back through the darker pages of human history.
I sympathise with the American people who often get spoke about poorly through generalisation and ignorance.
I will try harder not to swear, sorry.
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Fri Dec 10th 16:36 2004 / #183 |
I said internet registration dipshit.
ok you dipshit c*nt. where does England stand? wheres www.england.ENG!
WE ALL USE .CO.UK ENGLAND SCOTALND AND WALES. you fucking half wit ginger haired numbskull
so drop the oooh poor persecuted me. if scotland are repressed its because of their shockingly low iq, alcohol abuse and hard drug addiction. not to mention the in breeding as is only too evident from this thread.
now ok ok i said c*nt..but if youre gonna swear at us Ginge expect it back. you nastly little pond life. BOMB SCOTLAND NOW. put them out of their misery. |
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Fri Dec 10th 16:39 2004 / #184 |
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"Some people hate the English. I don't. They're just wankers. But we're worse, we were colonised by wankers" Ewan McGregor Trainspotting...a sensible comment .in between bags of skags and passing out and shitting the bed. |
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Fri Dec 10th 16:45 2004 / #185 |
Dont expect any replies from Maz scot or annonymooose! its 3.30 time for the afternoon jack up. Expect a torrent of stupid unintelligent anti English garbage about 7pm when the skag starts to wear off.
ENGLAND. - They only hate you when you're the best. |
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Fri Dec 10th 16:57 2004 / #186 |
LOL...oh dear..what have I started.
C'mon lets declare war. its been ages since weve had a proper ruck..thats probably where all this pent up tensions coming from. Lads stick on the kilts and the war paint, stick the women and children in the huts..and well pull the tanks and troops from Iraq and head to hadrians wall A.S.A.P. wicked.... itll be 'Braveheart' all over again! Someone get Mel Gibson on the mobile...;)
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Fri Dec 10th 17:00 2004 / #187 |
England 4 Ever,
hahahaha. I don't know you know Job Club kicks out about 5pm.
I'll meet you in Munich in 2006. Don't worry, there won't be any jocks there.
Nice one,
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Sat Dec 11th 11:37 2004 / #188 |
You people are unbelievable. Before the Scotsman even resorted to racial slurs you oh so superior Brits were calling out names like Jocko and Ginger and accusing the Scots of being drunk stupid backwards and drug addicts. That is truly revealing. No wonder the Scots hate the English. They talk out both sides of their mouths and they are just as dumb and brutal as the rest of the world. The Scotsman is also correct in saying that England is but a shadow if her former self. That Monarch of monarchs Queen Elizabeth I is spinning in her grave so fast that you could light a small village with the kinetic energy. England is the lackey of the US and that is a fact. It is also a fact that none of you English genuises have addressed the issue of the North Sea oil reserves. I think that the truth is that the Scotsman is the one who has hit the nail right on the head. He has made some good points and all you English can give in return are racial slurs, as I said before it is very revealing about the true nature of the English mind. It is always sad to see a formerly great civilization in its decline and it power in the hands of people whose high ideals are undermined by brute stupidity and thinly disguised contempt for all things not English.
I have found the English to be among the most arrogant and condescending people in the world. The Germans are not much better but at least they have something to offer the world in terms of engineering whereas the English have absolutely nothing to offer. |
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Sat Dec 11th 15:09 2004 / #189 |
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Not true read back. It was the scots who started on us no the other way round, And I made some brilliant points, without any insults, but you, and all the scots ignored these. Instead they just called us childish names. |
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Sat Dec 11th 15:23 2004 / #190 |
"England is the lackey of the US and that is a fact."
England is the creator of the Unites Staes. Fact. There more our brothers than any lilly livered European will ever be. That's why like us they were the only ones who didn't capitulate to Hitler! We fought Fascism and refused to surender, we gave shelter to Jews and helped create Israel, wheraes much of the rest of Europe collabarted with the Nazis and helped put them on the trains to the gas chambers. Yes WE have alot to be ashamed of dont we.
"It is also a fact that none of you English genuises have addressed the issue of the North Sea oil reserves. "
you obviously can't read. England 4 Ever rightly pointed out we get 14 million a year from North sea Oil but send Scotland 40 million. Which means wed be 30 million better off without them. were propping them up not the other way round. if you seriously think we need or care about North sea oil, youre kidding yourself.
high ideals are undermined by brute stupidity and thinly disguised contempt for all things not English.
Absolute rubbish. Its the Scots that are charachterised by brute stupidity anf contempt for all things English! read maz...hatred in her blood!!! England on the other hand is the land of the brave and free, a refuge for the worlds opressed and the most tolerant place in the planet. You know that and youre utterly jealous, thats why youre talking such spiteful rubbish. grow up and get a life silly man.
"The Germans are not much better but at least they have something to offer the world in terms of engineering whereas the English have absolutely nothing to offer."
except a language spoken by half the worlds inhabitants, a democratic and justice system which is the model for all the worlds opressed, a proud history of tolerance culture, the best musicians the worlds ever had, the beatles, the best literature the world has ever had, Shakespeare, we have continually excelled since the beggining of time. Unlike the Celts Germanic English blood has never been conquered by Celts, we conquered the Romans not the other way round, and were the only ones who stood up to fascism and saved Europe. (Russia collabarated and only fought back once attacked) we stand up for what we believe in, and Europe today only exists the way it is, and scottish twerps only have the freedom to be as stupid and spiteful as they are because of proud English warriors on foreign feilds. In comparison to us, everyone in Europe falls behind, there is no one in Europe who can claim to have had as such spectuclar power succes, cultural, militarl and financial in history right to the present day. Fact. and its that inferiority which is driving the rest of you crazy. Call us all the childish names you want you'll never wipe away history or the the truth. We are the English the same Enlglish thats stood proud and unconquered for the last two thousand years. get over it. insulting us to validate your own sense of inferiority...now thats arrogant. youre not as good as us..but so what... grow up and get over it. |
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Sat Dec 11th 15:35 2004 / #191 |
"I have found the English to be among the most arrogant "
Thats because you're approaching us with petty racist stereotypes in youre mind.
We're not ARROGANT. We're proud...because unlike SOME OTHERS we have plenty to be proud of....theres a MAJOR difference. |
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Sat Dec 11th 16:07 2004 / #192 |
"Before the Scotsman even resorted to racial slurs you oh so superior Brits were calling out names like Jocko and Ginger and accusing the Scots of being drunk stupid backwards and drug addicts. That is truly revealing. No wonder the Scots hate the English."
For a start you mean you oh so superior ENGLISH not Brits. Briton is a celtic term more appropriate to the Scots then the English.
Secondly they ARE ginger headed drunks stupid junkies and they know it. So its not a racial insult. Its a staement of fact. Why you think they are getting so angry? Truth hurts. Unlike the rest of Europe we actually live next door to these total pricks, those that arnt down south like gimpoid maz, sucking the blood out of our economy to feed their 20 bag a day smack addiction or to buy their next can of jocks piss strenthg lager to throw up against one of our walls.
Look at Billy Connoly. Scottish humor..appluading terrorists and telling them to hurry up and cut of a guys head coz hes a nobody English scouser married to a slant eyed chink! Now thats racist. what English comedian stoops that low! thats the best those total uncultured assholes have to offer they should take the cyanide pills now and do the rest of us a favour.
Rab C Nesbit, Begbie and,no thats it. Scotlands sole contribution to the world. not even good at engineering! which apparantly wipes out all the bad you've done. Gassed six million people, biggest racist murdereds in the world, started two world wars in which 80 million died. Fuckit. Don't worry as long as youre good at engineeering shit for brains above says youre alright. So you must be......
bbbbahhh...TOTAL fuckin wanker....if you love the tartan monkeys so much get on a train to skagland jack a gram up your arm and drop out with the rest of the ginerhaired losers... so we proper people dont have to keep listening to that crap comin out your mouth. |
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Sat Dec 11th 19:13 2004 / #193 |
" said before it is very revealing about the true nature of the English mind."
What is revealing about your mind is that you do not use it. If you think that England 4 Ever ior his type are representative of England then you are a bigger fool than he is - which is saying something.
Calling people ginger haired junkies and so forth, as this online idiot does, is amusing amongst his peer group. He belongs to an alienated social group finding solace in a child like form of national identity.
Note the attempt to lace argument with Encylopedia Brittanica type historical references to disguise utter stupidity and silliness. He just wants a fight and to trade insults - "tartan monkeys", "skagland" etcetera.
These type of online cretins are not in anyway represenative of Engalnd or the English they are the antithesis of that which they try to celebrate - England in all its multicultral, tolerant, restrained and just splendour. |
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Sat Dec 11th 19:55 2004 / #194 |
"Calling people ginger haired junkies and so forth, as this online idiot does, is amusing amongst his peer group. He belongs to an alienated social group finding solace in a child like form of national identity."
Quite Right. But doesn't that adequately describe the entire Scottish nation too? They appear trapped in a child like form of national identity entirely centred round immature hatred for another race. Why does being proud of being Scottish, have to involve hating the English? Unless they are dreadfully jealous and insecure of us. That was the point I was making Dr Ruth all xenohpobia and racism is actually born of insecurity and a subconciounce acknowledged of that fact. What the scots constantly try to do is bully the English, because inside they know in comparison to us they fall flat, and to regain their self esteem they need to reverse that. They have a grudge to bear so to speak.
If we wen't 'better' than Scotland, and they didn't full well know it, they wouldn't put so much energy in to trying to convince people we're not. To quote Shakespeare 'the lady doth pretest too much methinks'. Its sad and embarrasing to watch.
Understandable perhaps given the history, but hardly helpful. Nationalism is surely a doctrine that belongs in the past in the global age. One world unity will never be a reality why any country holds xenophobic hatred for another, however justified they may feel. just aint healthy. |
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Sat Dec 11th 21:10 2004 / #195 |
You are a strange brew BG. I cannot decide what you are about.
I do not think that all Scotsmen are archetypal - Proclaimers style - all teeth and ginger anger. Human beings are clearly more complex and the Proclaimers were clearly not of this world anyway. www.proclaimers.co.uk/towel.html
It seems BG that you want to re-enact the Battle of Bannock Burn, may I suugest the Sealed Knot?
On a more serious note: most nations have problems with their social undercarriage class.The "problem" is that the economic liberalism of the 1980's together with the social transformations of the previous decades in the UK catapulted whole social groups into the airline seat next to ours. These were the people whose opinions and behaviour were previously confined to some smokey "boozer" or a toilet wall. The internet and low cost airlines have exported this unfortunate by product of progess in the UK to the world.
These half wits draped in the Cross of St. George know nothing of the meaning of sacrifice, decency and moderation. These were the values that made Britain into the nation which it is. These are the values one still finds in the majority when not cajoled by some tabloid media scare story.
Yes the English are decent and they have exported their values across the globe for the betterment of mankind. Hyperbole? No. Heartfelt and factual.
(Enter Stage LEFT: American Radicalist "Dude" ranting about "Imperialism") |
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Sat Dec 11th 21:45 2004 / #196 |
"The "problem" is that the economic liberalism of the 1980's together with the social transformations of the previous decades in the UK catapulted whole social groups into the airline seat next to ours. These were the people whose opinions and behaviour were previously confined to some smokey "boozer" or a toilet wall. The internet and low cost airlines have exported this unfortunate by product of progess in the UK to the world."
I slightly disagree the working class have always been the moral backbone of the nation, where the rich bourgouis liberals were the decadent and morally loose. However in the 20th century the standard of living has 'increased' and we all, in the west have been able to afford this lifestyle, even the poorest. We all have nice homes, colot T.V's, computer games, the internet, we can dine out and of course go on foreign holidays. We've all become lesiure obseesed self indulgent bourgeoius. Its a me me me socirty of liberalism, where the individuals right to do whatever the hell he likes is paramount and rides roughshod other the community good, which after all doesnt m,atter anyway. If you had to conform to community ideals that would be 'opression' and a violation of your human rights and freedom to express your individualiaty. Now im not saying freedom is a bad thing, but too much freedom, leaves people gorged on self indulgence, lost, and isolated in a lonely pointless consumer driven exostance. All social roles and community spirit dies. In that situation, and with no hope of it changing, people desperately want to BELONG to something bigger than themselves to prove to themselves they are actually important they are worth something, theyre not just a faceless cog in a wheel. Be it a gang, a football club, a country or political group. Its just mans need to interact on a meaningful level with others, where he is respected and has self worth coming to the fore.
I think all nationalism comes from this sense of personal and individual disatisfaction and community isolation. The scottish hate the English because it makes them proud to be scottish. theyre no longer some nobody in the outer hybrides wishing they were somebody, part of a race and country which was colonised and weaker than its neighbours. No..now they are descendants of ce bruce, warriors who will put things right.
The same with English nationalism. Its very confusing for the working class in England. Only 50 years ago we had a world empire, we were taught to love England, wave the flag and be proud of our history. Now we have no empire, we are told we cant wave the flag, it will offend others, and our history now is supposedly a source of shame. Far from being proud conqueres we are now wicked colonisers. This is very confusing for the English sense of identity and only natural that the urban isolated and depressed are kicking back and saying loudly they wont be told there worthless, and rebelling in a sweep of nationalistic pride.
I think the same thing has happened in virtually every country at some time. I dont think we are such a strange breed. In fact i think in many ways we are all painfully alike, some insecurities, same inferiorities , same need to be wanted and to belong. |
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Sat Dec 11th 22:35 2004 / #197 |
"working class have always been the moral backbone of the nation"
I agree. I was not really referring to that particular division. There is, I believe, an underbelly to all societies. I do not mean the working class.
You have added another interesting argument to this discussion and one that I agree with:
"Its a me me me socirty of liberalism, where the individuals right to do whatever the hell he likes is paramount and rides roughshod other the community good"
YES.
I also tend to agree with your point about confusion and national identity. This is, of course, the fault of the Left. What did we feel in the 1980's? - pride but not arrogance. I think the English have that most wonderful of gifts - self depreciation. God chose to deny this to our cousins over the pond. Self depreciation is the sign of a confident and energetic society. The popular satirical humour that appeared in the 1980's was a reflection of this. Today this has given way to a form of vulgar cynicism which reinforces self image. Who is Peter Kay and that fat man who appears on Reeves and Mortimer? They are ugly parodies of slob self indulgent Britain - they are the illegitimate and,in my opinion, talentless. Keith Allen, Robbie Coltrane, Comic Strip, Dawn French etcetera : clever, sharp and worth watching.
The point is not frivolous as the media is the singular most important factor in the lives of the underbelly that we discuss. These talentless comedians of 2004 are symptomatic of a much wider process of "dumbing down" but also ply their craft based solely on the self image of the Englishman as a beligerent, sexually virile and crude stereotype.
It is funny to those whose lifestyles it affirms. |
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Sun Dec 12th 04:10 2004 / #198 |
"They are ugly parodies of slob self indulgent Britain - they are the illegitimate and,in my opinion, talentless. Keith Allen, Robbie Coltrane, Comic Strip, Dawn French etcetera : clever, sharp and worth watching."
Well that I agree with 100%. Comedy isn't what it once was. England sadly in all spheres is like that, when we're good we're great when we're bad we are terrible! |
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Sun Dec 12th 04:11 2004 / #199 |
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and Robbie Coltrane is indeed a Scot..a bloody good one at that. I take back all I have said...viva la U.K and death to petty nationalism! |
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Sun Dec 12th 12:37 2004 / #200 |
Hey! You bloody Imperialists!!!!
(exit stage right) |
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Sun Dec 12th 15:40 2004 / #201 |
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Mon Dec 13th 09:04 2004 / #202 |
Monday, June 28, 1999 Published at 15:06 GMT 16:06 UK
UK
Scots 'anti-English' - survey
The Scottish Parliament: "A joke", says Connolly
A survey says many people in Scotland believe that an anti-English feeling exists north of the border.
The opinion poll for the Daily Record newspaper found that 66% of those questioned agreed with the statement: "Many people in Scotland are anti-English."
The findings were published a day after comedian Billy Connolly accused the Scottish National Party of stirring up "new racism" in Scotland.
In an interview with the Sunday Herald newspaper, Glasgow-born Connolly described the new Scottish Parliament as "a joke".
"It's entirely their fault (the SNP), this new racism in Scotland, this anti-Englishness," he said.
Racist problem
Of those surveyed by the Daily Record, 25% disagreed that many people in Scotland were anti-English and the remainder said they were unsure.
Asked whether they believe Scotland has a racist problem, 49% of non-ethnic minority agreed - 44% of ethnic minority respondents said the same thing.
Scottish Opinion questioned 800 people from across Scotland by telephone for the survey.
Speaking of the SNP, Connolly said: "They know damn fine where I'm coming from.
"I'm an internationalist. It's entirely their fault, this new racism in Scotland, this anti-Englishness.
"It was a music hall joke before - you know, like Yorkshire v Lancashire or Glasgow v Edinburgh. But there's a viciousness to it now that I really loathe and it is their fault entirely."
Asked if he endorsed the changes taking place in Scottish political life, he added: "There's absolutely no good coming out of the changes now.
"There are a lot of people talking about things like self-determination, but they are abstracts.
"What you've actually got is another layer of government and they've sneaked in proportional representation, a third of whom you didn't vote for. It's an enormous joke." |
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Mon Dec 13th 11:20 2004 / #203 |
Hi All,
Been away for the weekend drinking for about 30 hours with some yobs. I have done some research for this debate.
We went to Birmingham. I met up with about 20 lads just as a work colleague could not attend this night out. I did not know any of them apart from one lad vaguely.
We sat in a strip club all of the day drinking. A few of them had porno's they made in their camera phone and had already had group sex with some local 'slags' the night before. Which they where boasting about.
We carried on in the night to a few clubs. A few of them where verbally sparring with me about how much money they had. Assuming I was not as well off. Most of them where married but loved to sleep with whores, local girls whoever was up for it female regardless of looks and preferably film it.
None of them had a decent education but had gained money through jobs where you do not need a deep insight like sales etc... Sorry sales people but it is true. A chimp is a spelling test away from your job...
Ecstacy and Cocaine was a preference also.
I thank god my friends are not like these pathetic unhappy idiots. I agree whole heartedly with the similar people you meet in Prague from whatever country are the scourge of society.
I have met lots of people like this in my life and they are all the same and all have a few things in common.
What great men they are when they go home to their wife and kids. My hero's.
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Mon Dec 13th 12:44 2004 / #204 |
A slight tangent but I noticed there is a confusion about the state of British Comedy. The comedy performers you mentioned are almost 20 years off their peak! British Comedy has evolved and is still arguably the best in the world.
Here are some fine up to date comadies and people for people outside of England to look for:
League of Gentlemen
Phoenix Nights
I'm Alan Partridge
The Office
Ricky Gervaise for his stand up
Steve Coogan for his stand up
Johnny Vegas for his stand up
Peter Kay for his stand up
Little Britain
Brass Eye
The Day Today
Time Gentlemen Please
Al Murrey for his stand up
I felt compelled to reply on this front.
Nice one,
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Mon Dec 13th 14:30 2004 / #205 |
Christian,
The following you gave as examples of the excellence of comedy draw mainly on the crude sterotype we were disgusting (sic):
Phoenix Nights, Peter Kay, Johnny Vegas (a very weak perfomer indeed), Time Gentleman Please.
All very weak in my opinion, crude and one dimensional.
A +
Steve Coogan and the League of Gentleman stand out in my mind. Did you ever catch "Peepshow on C4? Also top rate.
Ricky Gervaise is in my opinion highly over rated. You will note that Bo' Selecta chooses him as a target and with good reason.
There used to be crap on in the past as well but we have just forgotten it. I wonder if any of the performers you mention, with the exception of Coogan and LofG, will be remembered in coming decades? I doubt it. They will be sneered at in the same way as we sneer at Bernard Manning and that green duck. They represent something distasteful about our time.
Glad to hear you had an enjoyable weekend "researching" !
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Mon Dec 13th 14:48 2004 / #206 |
Dr Ruth,
Point taken. I recommend you try the Day Today and Brass Eye but they are extremly satiricle. (spelling)
I can not say I enjoyed this bunch of tossers much. In fact I hated it really. Waste of a lot of money and time.
I like to drink to excess I will be honest. But a key ingrediant of a good drink for me is interesting conversation and interesting (new) surroundings. Talking about how much money they earn and the length of each others cock size (I kid you not) is just boring and childish.
Story after story of whoring experiences, any other mindless subject you could think of.
They where a pretty much unevolved bunch. I would stress that these would register as your worst sort of 'yob', the ones with money (in my experience).
I have drank with some 'yobs' and they have at least been sort of amusing or interesting. Sadly this pack of mugs had neither. Complete losers. I pity their suffering wives. Not my cup of tea at all.
If these are the sort of human wastage you enjoy in Prague no wonder you have gripe. Please be assured an asshole is an asshole no matter where they are from and we in the great part hate them too.
When I go to Prague next week my boys will be taking in sights and hopefully some local music maybe classical. I am looking forward to seeing St Vitus Cathedral again. Also the massive stadium I have read bits about that is somewhere there.
We will drink just as much probably more than your average yobs as we are drinking proffessionals, the absolute cream of supping. But we do not act like these squirming maggots.
We are going to Prague because we love the place and we are going to get the most out of it.
Christian |
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Mon Dec 13th 15:33 2004 / #207 |
I think there were touches of brilliance of 'Time Gentleman Please' amid the abundant silliness. Far from being a celebration of English petty bigotry I think it was actually a satire of those holding those views much like Al Garnett was in the 70's. After all the guv is always made to look thoroughly silly for holding his views, and is a latent homosexual who actually quite likes French drinks....on the quiet! A very confused boy.
I have to agree with Dr Ruth though I think Little Britian is rubbish. One joke stretched out other and other gain, and even that wasnt that funny. ...but maybe I just dont get it . ;) |
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Mon Dec 13th 16:06 2004 / #208 |
Dr Ruth,
Ahh I see the point you are getting at. I must refer you to Britannia. The Al Murrey sense of humour is very much laughing at the text book biggotted English man. Like Alf Garnett he is nothing like his Character in real life. It is more an act to poke fun at these types.
I understand you had similar in the US in the form of Dennis Leary. In real life he is a very clean living peaceful guy.
You mentioned Bernard Manning in the same sentance as Peter Kay or Johnny Vesgas. I think Bernard Manning is more of a symbol for racism these days than a funny man. You would struggle to lump all these together I believe.
I feel Peter Kay has excellent observational talent and sublime skill at delivery. This has been consolidated by his Phoenix Nights receiving a multitude of national awards and is a multiple series that now even has a spin off show containing some of the auxhiliary characters.
Johnny Vegas Live on the other hand simply has eight pints of Larger and tears through the audience ripping shreds out of his victims. You either love him or you hate him. I personally find him very funny.
Of course my favorite comedian of all time is an American. The late Bill Hicks.
Off the subject slightly but had to contribute with it being close to my heart.
Many thanks,
Christian
P.S. I can not spell I refuse to hide it any longer. |
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Mon Dec 13th 16:15 2004 / #209 |
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Well our comedy is much better than those tartan monkeys anyway what they ever given us...rab c nesbit...a drunk in a string vest talking shite. |
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Mon Dec 13th 16:55 2004 / #210 |
England 4 Ever,
hahahahahaha!!
How did you get started in this? Are you visiting Prague also?
Christian |
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Mon Dec 13th 16:56 2004 / #211 |
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The reverend Bill Hicks is my personal favorite. Political, sexual, drug policy, and even yes his humor about england makes me laugh every time that I hear it. Dennis Leary totally stole his act, and tamed it down. check him out. |
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Mon Dec 13th 17:06 2004 / #212 |
Too true. Bill Hicks lived his comedy a breath of fresh air during the 90's when most other comedians chose to ignore the gulf war existed.
If anyone has not seen him go and buy Relentless or Totally on DVD it might change your life.
What is Czech comedy like anyone? (Trying to wander back to the subect : > )
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Mon Dec 13th 22:04 2004 / #213 |
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You can slag us of all you wan wee boy, wi ya lil wee dick, the world knows the Scots are great and the English are scum. All the worlds probleems are caused by pateitic bald beer belleyed englismen with big attitudes ,small penesis, bad breathe and no charisma! look all around you England 4 ever and then look in the mirror. look hard at the moron starring back at you...then look in your pants at your tiny willy. theres my proof..f*k England, youre a dying breed of morons...Scotland 4 ever!!!! |
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Tue Dec 14th 12:59 2004 / #214 |
C: "the length of each others cock size" - Voila. I told you.
BG "Far from being a celebration of English petty bigotry I think it was actually a satire of those holding those views much like Al Garnett was in the 70's."
One man's satire is anothers affirmation. I know that Alf Garnett appealed to many of those with nasty views in the 70's. There was a famous "scouse" talent in that show too. What did Alf use to call him? I cannot recall? ;0)
I think these current "satirical" send ups of yob Britain do not work and are used by lazy comedians - J.Vegas Esq. - to justify their lack of talent. Vegas as far as I can see is just a ugly fat drunk - who throws in references to 70's Britain (Ready Brek etc) and is also very crude. Are we to expect that this fat yob is anything other than he appears? Perhaps he prances around in cordorouy and a tweed coat and pipe when "off duty". I doubt it.
Beware of those who dress up their lack of talent and ugly personalities as satire. This form of humour appeals to the yobs who it allegeldly sends up and those that think they are above it. Easy popularist stuff. Contrast this with the dizy excellence of Paul and Pauline Calf.
Armando Iannucci. If I see his name anywhere I watch, read or ingest it. This work is not "funny" in the sense of a good laugh - it is often disturbing. It is worth spending time watching.
England4Ever idiot:
"rab c nesbit...a drunk in a string vest talking shite." Talkng shite is clearly something that you are expert at, so I will defer to you on that. I always thought that Rab was a satirical take on the Scots and highly amusing at that. If you find him offensive I am pleased. I do not think his humor was necessarily meant for people like you. I suggest that you stick with cartoons like Tom and Jerry / Power Rangers etc as they will appeal more to your primitive beligerent sensibility and mental age bracket. |
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Tue Dec 14th 13:53 2004 / #215 |
Dr Ruth,
I did not know it but I have most of Armando Iannucci's work as he worked on the day today and I am alan partridge. This is the finest sort of English comedy in the last 15 years (I think).
I guess you have it in for Vegas. All I can say is I have seen him being immensely funny without being crude or swearing. His references are very English of his age group which I am so I can relate to him very well.
He is a self confesssed drunk. Name a comedian that didn't like a drink. Many of the worlds funniest men used their comedy to shield great internal saddness and drank or took drugs to numb their pain.
He is fat. So is Jo, Brand, Jeff Goodman, John Candy, dare I say Robbie Coltraine... It makes no odds if they are thin as a rake as long as they are funny. Does anyone know a super fit comedian? The only one I can think of is Jackie Chan.
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Tue Dec 14th 16:30 2004 / #216 |
Guys
All the comics you listed are so 1990 - 2002.
That era is gone gone gone.
Like Edie Izzard myself but so 1997. |
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Tue Dec 14th 16:50 2004 / #217 |
Saint Juste,
know what you mean, but you can still enjoy the Marx Brothers or Laurel and Hardy and they are 1920-40. The best comedy is timeless.
I forgot to mention the Smell of Reeves and Mortimer also etc... I agree Izzard is a genius. There are too many English comedy greats to mention in the last 10 years.
Christian
By the way, seeing as we have let the gauntlet down comepletely and gone on a complete tangent I think I will add to the chaos.
I read this poem or narration or whatever it is elsewhere on Prague TV I really like it:
And as though, and as if these were not enough, there are the wild noumena, the Pleistocene memories, the placental fugues and subterfuges. Memories that hang by a hair, and in dying give birth to dandruff; faces that burn in luminol, shedding hysterical light on cellular problems; names running back to lethal sources, reverberating like spun harps; words embedded in lymph and cyst, which no form of dynamite can blast away; tears that fall on warm fruit and make waterfalls in far-off Africa; birds that settle between the eyes only to singe their wings and fall like broken crutches; vapors that rise from arteries and congeal into phosphorescent webs of mica; and devils who laugh like antelopes, bounding in and out of broken teeth or frazzled dreams; and monsters of the underwaters, who suck like the undertow or bleat like pregnant baboons; and hammerclaviers fitted with cloying geraniums, announcing stench and smoke and delirium; and kings like Ebenezer Sock, born blanched with terror, who prey on euphemy; and more of his ilk, and more, and then nothing but cube on cube, pillar upon pillar, tomb upon tomb, as far as the mind can reach and just a little beyond.
Has anyone got any idea what it is? I enjoyed the images. Is it like a 'Whiter Shade of Pale' and is comeplete nonesense or can can someone explain?
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Tue Dec 14th 21:16 2004 / #218 |
"One man's satire is anothers affirmation. I know that Alf Garnett appealed to many of those with nasty views in the 70's. There was a famous "scouse" talent in that show too. What did Alf use to call him? I cannot recall? ;0)"
'you traitorious scouse git'..i believe. ;)
ok fair enough some people dont get the humour and laugh at the racist jokes, rather than laughing at the backward isiot making them. But thats comedy some people get it some people dont.
Not so long ago goodness gracious me was on tv in u.k with asains making jokes about white people having small penises. I personally found that far more offensive then Alf Garnett or Al Murray, because they genuinely meant it, there was no hint of self parody, just thinly vieled race hatred.
Alf Garnett in real life was married to a far eastern lady and supported a famous jewish football team in North London. He was very anti racist and wouldnt have been involved in a programme which promoted racism in any way. |
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Tue Dec 14th 21:21 2004 / #219 |
I would have found Rab C Nesbitt amusing if I could understand a word of it ;) There was a scottish comedy called 'The High Life' though a few years back, which I quite liked. Still not a patch on Father Ted though, a genuine Irish gem which must surely compete with Partridge for best comedy of the 90's?
Has Wales ever prodiced a comedy show yet? apart from their Football team of course. ;) |
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Wed Dec 15th 00:04 2004 / #220 |
Britannia,
Similar to Alf Garnett.
The samething happened with 'a Clockwork Orange'. It was misread by sections of society so Stanley Kubrick pulled it from British theatres. The meaning derived from the film is out of the directors hands. It doesn't make it a bad film.
Surely we are an advanced society. We should not dumb down the media so that the slowest racist rat can understand it properly and not get too confused. We are not ........ errr another country that does this quite a bit even today : >
Biffa Bacon in the Viz is funnier than Rab C Nesbit. Scottish comedy wise I used to like Absolutely in the early 90's an off the wall sketch show.
My favorite Welsh comedy is 'Robbie Savage' generally. What type of c... would get an Armi tattoo, drive a banana coloured ferrari, kiss the badge for winning a penalty, dive at every oppertunity and and get a yellow card before the biggest game of his career... Ok a lot of poncy footballers in 2004... *trappped*
Ahh well I buggered all that up.
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Wed Dec 15th 06:40 2004 / #221 |
"England4Ever idiot:
"rab c nesbit...a drunk in a string vest talking shite." Talkng shite is clearly something that you are expert at, so I will defer to you on that. I always thought that Rab was a satirical take on the Scots and highly amusing at that. If you find him offensive I am pleased. I do not think his humor was necessarily meant for people like you. I suggest that you stick with cartoons like Tom and Jerry / Power Rangers etc as they will appeal more to your primitive beligerent sensibility and mental age bracket."
SCREW YOU PATRONISING PRICK. GROW UP AND GET A LIFE. |
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Wed Dec 15th 08:30 2004 / #222 |
Welsh Comedian: Max Boyce? Bennett Arron. There was also a charachter in a bedroom on the Fast Show wasn't there??? Bedwin?
Paul Whitehouse was born in Wales.
What about Peep Show? I am wondering if this is great comedy or just that it appeals to me?
http://www.iofilm.co.uk/fm/p/peep_show_series_1_2003.shtml
England 4 Ever: "SCREW YOU PATRONISING PRICK. .."
Sure why not. I am probably old enough to be your grandmother but if you like. My experience with your type though is that you can't hold your drink and subsequently are a disappointnment in the trouser department. Do you have any interesting tatoos? |
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Wed Dec 15th 11:54 2004 / #223 |
Stop it Dr Ruth I am trying to concentrate here!! I have a soft spot for older women. I might have to give grandmother an outing ;>
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Wed Dec 15th 13:37 2004 / #224 |
What has happened to Prague in all of this!!!!!
Cant believe there are 223 messages on this board!!!
Would anyone like to start a new topic of conversation?
Drunken Brits to English V Scottish V Welsh V Irish V Czech's
to Devon v Cornwall
to British Comedy....where can we go from here which is furthur away from the original message as possible?
And who is going to Prague?....was it Christian? |
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Wed Dec 15th 15:58 2004 / #225 |
BTDIGTTS: Who cares? and do not make light of the threat that the Cornish pose to civilised life. When I was a girl between the wars I used to vacation on a farmstead on the Devon / Cornwall border. I was told by an elderly gentleman that the Corns in the next village had the ability to remove egg yolks simply with the power of thought. A two headed lamb was born in the spring of 1937 - enough said.
Christian : I like to receive "gentleman callers" at the tradesman's entrance - if you get what I mean |
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Wed Dec 15th 16:34 2004 / #226 |
Dr Ruth,
I'm not sure if my mother would condone this. Maybe I should quit while I am ahead being a good Catholic.
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Wed Dec 15th 17:08 2004 / #227 |
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I know what you're saying about the Cornish. My stepfather was cornish and I grew up there and the older ones were definetly weird with a capital W. There are only three forenames in cornish TRE- PEN- and i forget the other, and I found photos of my mum, you know explicit ones, very rare for back then. and then one day I woke up and found a hand in my bra when i was only about 9...they were very strange people...all inbreeding, kiddy fiddling and bothering the animals. |
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Wed Dec 15th 18:56 2004 / #228 |
Now now, Maz!
My remarks were meant ironically in order to puncture large anti - Scottish baloons, that some on this thread were filling with acidic hot air. If anyone believes that Scotland is full of ginger haired junkies, they might as well believe that Cornwall is full of egg yolk stealing "Children of the Damned" types and "the Pool" is inhabited by characters from Bread and the Liver Birds.
I imagined that the Cornish were a particularly inoffensive lot. The idea of cross border rivalry in the same manner as Scot vs Eng, seemed the obvious way of illustrating the stupidity of localised racism.
Regional difference is what makes the UK such an exciting place. I love it.
Vive la difference! |
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Wed Dec 15th 19:24 2004 / #229 |
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The corns will rise up and destroy the craven English crows and avenge the one's slaughtered lo these many years ago!! Watch out, english crows! |
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Wed Dec 15th 19:34 2004 / #230 |
And the Devon pigs will be the first to feel our long-stewing wrath!
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Wed Dec 15th 20:47 2004 / #231 |
"Now now, Maz!My remarks were meant ironically in order to puncture large anti - Scottish baloons, that some on this thread were filling with acidic hot air"
Dr Ruth I hate to point this out as you appear in general a fair minded enough person, but the airways above this thread was positively convuleted with a myriad of Anti English balloons, long before anyone even mentiones our Celtic cousins. In fact I think it's fair to say that fine display of hate ballons had more than their fare share of acidic gaelic bile keeping them afloat.
ok its childish to say he started it first....but they did! lol...Why is England always in the wrong in some peoples eyes. A scot attacks us he is defending himself. A bit like the way America defends itself, before anyones even attacked them! get in first. But god forbid an Englishman stands up for himself a dishes a bit back, we get demonised as hateful opressers.
Could this be as I suspect, a subconscious acknowledgement, that we are in fact a supreme race, and therefore to defen ourselves constitutes bullying the weaker, by reason of superiority and strength alone. Only possible explanation really.
Personally I think its rather unfair to the scots to treat them like helpless children who need protecting from the nasty English bullies. |
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Wed Dec 15th 21:56 2004 / #232 |
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BG # 231, are you implying people are nasty to Britain and not to America?! Are you nuts??? Don't you watch the news? All of Europe and the world is in the grip of anti-American hysteria. Haven't you noticed that the majority of the comments on this board is a loony vitriol against America? |
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Wed Dec 15th 22:28 2004 / #233 |
ERM..No. thats not what I was emplying. I think England, is in the same boat as America actually because werre succesful, powerful, and have all the responsibility and difficult decisions that come with power, we are by extension the obvious scapegoats for everything thats wrong in the world. ...and of course jealousy plays a major part.
I wouldnt say im anti america. im ant fascim. and 'm generally anti-american cultural imperialism, ie. big corporations such as wal mart, macdonalds, shutting down small businesses, and tearing the heart out of communities with their bland supersized brand of heertless and souless comercialism.
I think the beauty of america, the american dream, every man can become rich through hard work, is also ultimately its downful. The capitalist ethos has gone crazy in America, and while a few are rich the majority are poor, and barely cared for. Thats the basic premise of catipitalism after all and it just promotes a new elitism, which is every bit as stiffling and unfair as the centuries old land and class based elitism here. A few at the top sucking the blood out of every one else, all the power, adn what they say goes. to hell with everyone else.
I guess Im a social democrat virging on a communist. I believe in a society where people help each other out, everyone has an equal say, good relationships and fairness is the goal, greed and wealth an irrelevance. So the United States doesn't really sit very well with that.
But in general i respect america and i respect the way it stands up for the worlds opressed in places such as bosnia. I also respect the way it tolerates others opinions and give me the choice between America and Islamic fascim...its america every time, warts and all. |
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Thu Dec 16th 07:14 2004 / #234 |
When the ghosts of Urien and Owain do rise,
then will the Saxon feel the turn of the tide
For each is six and seven centuries dead,
Ware England, Ware thy head! |
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Thu Dec 16th 10:28 2004 / #235 |
Comrade Brittania,
All wrong I am afraid. Capitalism works and empowers. Those "big corporations" that you slag off provide something that people want.
Capitalism when she is unhindered by regulation and an over powerful state is a fair and honest friend. The economic revolution of the 1980's, which was Capitalism's greastest hour, empowered millions of ordinary people and raised living standards. Capitalsim defeated the fallacious argument of socialism. We live in happy times in the sense that these arguments have been resolved, socilaism -in all its hues -discredited and we are free.
Freedom is the key. Your ideas about a strong world power abroad and a social palyground for the workers at home is resonant of the good old USSR. Thank which ever God you worship that you did not have to experience that hell.
I think you take the freedoms and the wealth that you have for granted. It could have been different. Arthur Scargill, remember him? How would you like to have to listen to Comrade Scargill, Prseident of The United Federation of British Communes on Christamas Day?
Here's a song I heard once. Thankfully nobody buys that record anymore.
The people's flag is deepest red
It shrouded oft our martyred dead;
And ere their limbs grew stiff and cold
Their hearts' blood dyed to every fold.
Then raise the scarlet standard high!
Beneath its folds we'll live and die.
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer
We'll keep the red flag flying here. |
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Thu Dec 16th 11:30 2004 / #236 |
Say thy Prayers Saxon scourge, for the winds be blowing disease in your direction,
Thy sky cloudeth over
Thy red blood freezes in the marrow of thy craven bones
Thy leprous mind will know only fear all the days of thy life
And thy children will pick at your bones like scavenger birds:
Us Celts avenged, Us Celts world-rulers! |
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Thu Dec 16th 12:05 2004 / #237 |
two three six,
Firstly, well done on sticking school out.
"Thy sky cloudeth over
Thy red blood freezes in the marrow of thy craven bones
Thy leprous mind will know only fear all the days of thy life
And thy children will pick at your bones like scavenger birds:"
Might I boldly suggest we replce replace:
"And thy children will pick at your bones like scavenger birds:"
with
And thy inbred children will pick at your KFC like drunken heroin addicted rats:
There you have it, Christmas day on a council estate in somewhere in Glasgow.
Anytime jocky ; >
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Thu Dec 16th 12:43 2004 / #238 |
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I never knew how much scots and english hated each other. I m canadian and we don't even hate america that much. jeez |
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Thu Dec 16th 13:12 2004 / #239 |
We did... ...about 700 years ago. She time has moved on and some people have not.
Some of my best friends are Scottish. I am only putting two three six straight because he/she is just a c..t and I love England.
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Thu Dec 16th 13:16 2004 / #240 |
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I be not a Scot-Christian-boy, but a proper Strathclydian I love me my Scottish brethren in our world-wide fight to assert the superiority of Celtishnicity thoughout all the ends of this flat earth which ye Saxon puppies have stolen from our rightful claim from us. Beware, for the hounds of Lud be yapping at thy heels, and thy place in assured in the fires of Annwn. |
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Thu Dec 16th 13:33 2004 / #241 |
Are you the caretaker out of the Simpsons?
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Thu Dec 16th 16:33 2004 / #242 |
"The economic revolution of the 1980's, which was Capitalism's greastest hour, empowered millions of ordinary people and raised living standards"
Well living in one of Thatchers urban ghettos, created by the joys of Capitalism, if wealth and privilage was the flavour of the 80's it never touched us. We were never so worse of before or since. Never before or since have we had full scale rioting in the streets, in vurtually every major British city. Thats the problem with Capitalism its great for the few folks making a lot of money, but the majority are totally disinfranchised.
I think youve read too much into me saying im a communist. I said im a social democract verging in a communist. Of course the problem with all the communist regimes were they were little more than dictatorship, every one told what to do where think, feel and punishment for anyone who dissents. I dont want to live in a fascist state of any kind, be it capitalist money driven fascism such as we have in the west, Islamic fascism as Mr Bin Laden would like, or Stalinist fascim from the good old communist days!
I'd like to see a world where people are free to think and feel what they want, while at the same time possesing a strong sense of community and co operation, and im not apologising for that! :) |
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Thu Dec 16th 22:36 2004 / #243 |
"Thats the problem with Capitalism its great for the few folks making a lot of money, but the majority are totally disinfranchised."
Nonsense. The majority are the beneficiaries. What happened pre Thatcher? The winter of discontent - your life decided by the political bosses of organised labour. Thatcherism gave you share ownership, the hugely succesful privitaisation and modernisation of British industry and widespread property ownership. Your argument is a deception by the Left and finds easy ears amongst those who wish to blame the state for their own predicament.
Thatcherism created a level playing field where talent was able to rise to the top. In conjunction with another great politcal leader- Ronald Reagan - they ended the evil of Communist dictatorshipn which robbed a generation.
It is easy to forget this and it is fashionable to deride these historic acheivements.
You do not have to apologise for wishing for a better "society" - what you must accept is that the role of the state in so ordering such a "society" must be a limited one. The reason for this is that no state can effectively influence the morals of its citizens unless they resort to Stalinist style tactics. We are talking here about individual responsibility and discipline. |
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Thu Dec 16th 23:59 2004 / #244 |
Ok,
Thats it I am out of my depth now. I know nothing about politics sorry. I do not even vote.
Well I start the long road to Prague and Budapest tomorrow via Berlin and St Helens. I will be online intermitently for three weeks.
I am actually on a blind date in Berlin for the weekend with a pen pal from Estonia. I'll let you know if we get married.
All have a lovely Christmas, especially the Scottish.
Laters,
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Fri Dec 17th 00:01 2004 / #245 |
Your argument is a deception by the Left and finds easy ears amongst those who wish to blame the state for their own predicament.
No its NOT a decption by the left and NOTHING to do with fashion.
I've lived through it. Things definently got MUCH worse when Thatcher was in, so much so we had rioting, Drugs crime povery, unemployment everywhere. It was not like that in the 70's, nowhere near as bad, as its been nowhere near as bad since Blair and labour got back in. Thats a fact. I find it laughable you're accusing me of propaganda and embellishment when I actually lived through these events I describe. You cannot have lived in a major British city amongst thereal people and say such things with a straight face. We suffered dreadfully under Thatcher and Major, and you wont find anyone working class wanting her or the conservatives back in a hurry, thats why they are a party in SERIOUS decline. |
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Fri Dec 17th 00:03 2004 / #246 |
"I am actually on a blind date in Berlin for the weekend with a pen pal from Estonia. I'll let you know if we get married.
Good Luck Christian and a very merry xmas to you! |
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Fri Dec 17th 03:53 2004 / #247 |
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There is no such thing as a 'good' Catholic. How can there be in a Church run by more than its fair share of pedo's? |
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Fri Dec 17th 08:38 2004 / #248 |
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Yes. Every body who's a catholic is a pedophile. |
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Fri Dec 17th 12:32 2004 / #249 |
LMFAO.....it's worth coming here each day to read this, we should turn it into a book!!.
But on the above point, (not trying to start something), the priest of our local catholic church was, (you guessed it), done for being a pedo!!. (making and possessing indecent pictures)
The priest who took his place for a while, as far as i know, asked the congregation for forgiveness for him!!!!.......it could only happen in a church really could'nt it.
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you must cleanse the satan out of your body by screwing 7 year olds, everyone knows that, and I think its somewhere in Leviticus. |
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Fri Dec 17th 13:08 2004 / #251 |
My goodness this took a turn for the worse... hahaha
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Sat Dec 18th 21:45 2004 / #252 |
Jeez all this started only because the English-British cant hold tehir drink ...
Micah, Butthead sort this one out please. |
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Christian, I thought you were just a Czechophile but now I see you are into ntire central and eastern Europe. Have a good time! |
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Sun Dec 19th 12:21 2004 / #254 |
BG,
You are talking about the growing pains of a new era. Change unsettles but is necessary. I like your nostalgic recollections of the 70's - what about the blackouts, strikes, rubbish in the street, the country held ransom by ideological class warriors. Thatcherism ushered in the new era of prosperity and freedom that you enjoy.
Claiming that drugs, crime and social tensions were in some way releived by the magic pill of re-invented socialism "New Labour" is statisically innacurate. The yob culture that started this debate is evidence enough of serious social ills.
"you wont find anyone working class wanting her or the conservatives back in a hurry"
What utter bollocks! The "working class" - what is that? A term used by political dinosaurs to stir up class hatred. Many of these so called "working class" are now lhugely succesful and reaping the rewards of their own endeavours. Thatcherism gave them that.
This idea of a "working class" identity is a nonsense and seems to me to be a badge used by some to identify themselves - a tribal cry but not a reality. We are now a society of individuals - these old hate filled deliniations are of interest to historians and not to present day pollitical debate. |
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Sun Dec 19th 19:07 2004 / #255 |
Brittania Goriana....using terms like "trailer park trash" illustrates how open minded you actually are...Terms like these and the people that use them only serve to further create stereotypes, judgments and the need to understand other people (and their respective lives), by putting them in a neat and tidy box where they might not have to actually make an effort to understand before judging. Before using these terms one should think about whether or not they would appreciate being judged by such matters as their social or economic circumstances. Its far to easy to judge rather than communicate and understand.
For many people in this discussion...be a part of the solution and not the problem. |
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Sun Dec 19th 22:10 2004 / #256 |
"by putting them in a neat and tidy box where they might not have to actually make an effort to understand before judging. Before using these terms one should think about whether or not they would appreciate being judged by such matters as their social or economic circumstances. Its far to easy to judge rather than communicate and understand"
but its perfectly ok for people to put the english in a neat box as a nation of louts who cant hold their drink? that IS i hate to point out the whole purpose of this thread!!!!!!
How hypocritical. |
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Sun Dec 19th 22:20 2004 / #257 |
the country held ransom by ideological class warriors. Thatcherism ushered in the new era of prosperity and freedom that you enjoy.
And thats utter bollox im afraid. youre obviously one of the few who profited out of the greed driven 80's. The working classes still exist, and were still the majority. If you want to come and find us, come to toxteth, liverpool, sparks hill birmingham, tiger bay cardiff, in fact every working city in Britian. were there stuck in urban ghettos awash with drugs crime and people who have no hope of getting out. Thats the prosperity WE enjoy, thanks to thatcherism. A 21 yr old lad i know killed himself just a few weeks ago, strung himself up with a rope fed up with the poverty round here, and the total hopelessness opf ever getting out. youre right the liberalism and hope for equality of the 60's and 70's IS long dead, killed by the icy cold realism of 17 years of conservatism. lads here feel lost and given up on by 21, uteterly heartbreaking.
Youre of course enetitled to youre view, and i admit i did say we enjoy a fairly wealthy lifestly, but by that i mean we can afford to get drunk and take 100 pound package holidays to europe! ok that more than alot of European countries, but hardly wealth. The reality on the streets here is there are still massive class divisions, and the 80's are remebered as a terrible time. its not utter bollox...look how few votes the tories got. youre view of the reality if life in Britian just isnt one I can relate to here on the ground. the prosperity and wealth and enjoyment just isnt there. i think thats why most people do go out and get absolutely drunk out of their minds theyre poor, trapped and miserable, and its some escape. |
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Sun Dec 19th 22:34 2004 / #258 |
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Mon Dec 20th 11:43 2004 / #259 |
Yes, but it makes good lunchtime reading!!!
What i want to know, is what these people do for a job to actually have enough time to write it all!!!. |
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Mon Dec 20th 13:53 2004 / #260 |
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it only take me 5 minutes a post..do it in the eveneings or when im bored at work...yes i do have job..a very boring one! :P..glad you are all enjoying though |
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Mon Dec 20th 21:15 2004 / #261 |
"come to toxteth, liverpool, sparks hill birmingham, tiger bay cardiff,"
No thank you. All societies have such places I am afraid. The London Docklands were once a run down horror story and now a glittering monolith to economic progress. The same is true elsewhere -areas of Manchester, Liverpool and so on.
"youre obviously one of the few who profited out of the greed driven 80's."
Being in favour of economic and social liberty means that I am a capitalist fat cat, does it? My principles are not based on the size of my wallet.
I am curious to learn that you blame the social ills of current day Britain on Thatcherism. Tony and Co. have had long enough to spread the guacamole. Your nostalgia for the 1960's /70's means that you are not old enough to remember. Inequality,poverty and ignorance reigned supreme. The hippy movement was more about self indulgence than any coherent permanent political philosphy.
As for "Bobbo" - if you find this discussion "silly" I suggest you take yourself of to another - where you will most likely find some American expat poet holding forth on subjects that you will find more to your liking. "Hey dude...go f**k yourself" and all that.
If you wish to "Bobbo" please feel free to contribute but kindly do not just use pejoratives without reason - this is in itself "silly". (Those that I use are always with reason.)
Each to his own. Guacamole or mushy peas? As for myself I'll go for the mushy peas everytime.
This thread is heading for the 300 mark and do not forget that Christian will be back soon with news of his expolits. Seems like quite an amusing crowd with more to say than usual. I quite like the eccentic and unexpected twists - where next one wonders? Perhaps nowhere? |
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Mon Dec 20th 23:41 2004 / #262 |
The London Docklands were once a run down horror story and now a glittering monolith to economic progress. The same is true elsewhere -areas of Manchester, Liverpool and so on.
But the people in those areas didn't benefiet. They were moved out while greedy capitalist raped their land! my family were moved out of what was called 'slum clearences' we were moved 25 miles up the road to an area barely different, where the place we lived on was developed beyond all recognition into a trendy business area which no dount made somebody very rich. meanwhile my community and family which had been untied and togetehr for hundreds of years was split up forever and dispersed. |
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Mon Dec 20th 23:45 2004 / #263 |
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And i do agree with you though th sixties was largely about individualism and self indulgence, fashion rather than genuine political conviction, and its perhaps from there the rot started to set in and community responsibility died. But it was certainly Mrs Thatcher who nailed the coffin lids in! |
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Tue Dec 21st 00:03 2004 / #264 |
Progress chuck. You are a real Luddite.
Embrace change and become part of this glorious capitalist revolution. Leave behind your tinted romantic view of the past. Seriously - I think you are deluding yourself into believing that our forefathers lived in a society where everyone left the door on the latch and had roast beef on a Sunday.
I think it was more like Hogarth's Gin Lane:
http://www.library.northwestern.edu/spec/hogarth/Decay11.htm l |
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Tue Dec 21st 01:22 2004 / #265 |
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Personally, I'd like to hear more on the Cornish/Strathclydian side of thing. This Thatcher vs Blair thing is getting old. Or some Englishman stereotyping Scots. Nope, not silly at all... |
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Tue Dec 21st 02:57 2004 / #266 |
I think you are deluding yourself into believing that our forefathers lived in a society where everyone left the door on the latch and had roast beef on a Sunday.
we did...even in my mothers time. its true we also got blind drunk and kicked the shit out of eachother too. but thats also just high frolics... we wers honest, people cared and elderly people didnt get attacked in their homes. im possibly crazy but i prefer the former to the latter. the capitalist revoloution, burger king, microsoft, mcodnalds and coca cola can go and get stuffed. |
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Tue Dec 21st 11:53 2004 / #267 |
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please, forget this crap, can we please have some foul-mouthed Englishmen and Scots cursing each other? |
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Tue Dec 21st 12:20 2004 / #268 |
You sound like you lived in an Ealing comedy? This view of Merry Old England is very Miss Marple and very worrying. From an uncritical love of the past springs a pretty virulent form of nationalism and one that you have displayed on this board.
I suspect that your alter ego was "England4Ever" - true or false? - I also quite enjoyed all that "ginger haired" hatred and John Bull style ranting- it was so daft as to pass out of the category of nasty racist slurs into a form of comedy.
This was the joke behind Alf Garnett - trouble was a lot of people took what he said seriously!!
I know that racism is not the stuff of comedy but I think the Scots are quite capable of defending themselves ( see Battle of Strirling Bridge etc). |
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Tue Dec 21st 12:36 2004 / #269 |
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I think this thread keeps continuing because everyone is contradicting themselves to the point where they are actually only arguing with themselves. All I can say is there really are a lot of drunken English in Prague, sorry we all know its true. They may not be in France or Belgium, there may be annoying german tourists in Italy, or annoying Italians in Budapest, but here in Prague, the loud obnoxious ones are almost always English. sorry |
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Tue Dec 21st 12:52 2004 / #270 |
Perhaps thats because us English people are the only ones who know how to have a good night out!!, and not moan about anybody else doing the same!!
Or perhaps not!! (just to argue with myself)
unfortunately, one visit is not enough to gauge the situation, but when i was there, we only saw a couple of large groups of people,(not sure if they were English i have to say), being, well....er...loud, but to be honest, we just ignored them and got on with what we wanted to do.
But it was far less roudy than on some of my nights out over here.
But it does piss me off a little, to be branded with the same iron as other people, just because i am English. |
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Tue Dec 21st 12:56 2004 / #271 |
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NO, don´t start this discussion again.. |
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Tue Dec 21st 13:37 2004 / #272 |
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jesus, please, somebody start cursing at each others. Aren't there some Turks to slag off? I'm begging you. |
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Tue Dec 21st 16:43 2004 / #273 |
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Post 231 - BG go fuck yourself up the arse you sexually repressed fucking Hobbit. If you hadn't posted this fucking piece of shit way back (231) when you started all this bigoted/racist piece of shit then no-one would still be on this thread talking absolute fucking bollocks. Why don't you fuck off and visit some therapist - you are most certainly the biggest candidate for a frontal lobotomy this side of "One flew over the cuckoos Nest" you absolute cunt. No doubt you are some spotty, fat cunt with body odour who's only fucking saving grace is a chat room where no-one can see your sorry fat putrid ass - go on - fucccckkkk offfffff..... and find some other chat room where they don't know you yet. Now all you other fucks - why don't you go and start carol singing to the orphaned and homeless - it's Christmas time.
The Moderator |
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Tue Dec 21st 18:40 2004 / #274 |
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Now, this is more like it. Thank you, Moderator. |
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Tue Dec 21st 18:43 2004 / #275 |
The Moderator? Is that some kind of gag? Moderate you certainly 'aint. Displaying your knowledge of dirty words like a peacock displaying its plumamge.
Pretty impressive Mr. Moderator I must say.
Please can we have some more. There is nothing I like more at this time of year than reading pointless profanities.
If you strip away the sentences we are left with a glorious technicolour profusion of vulgarity:
go fuck yourself up the arse
you sexually repressed fucking Hobbit.
his fucking piece of shit
racist piece of shit
absolute fucking bollocks.
you fuck off
you absolute cunt.
spotty, fat cunt
fucking saving
fat putrid ass
fucccckkkk
other fucks
As I say I am most impressed. Quite charming.
(In case you are as thick as you seem - I am taking the piss you nasty little wank rag.) |
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Tue Dec 21st 18:45 2004 / #276 |
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more please! Nothing silly, though. |
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Bobbo
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Tue Dec 21st 19:47 2004 / #277 |
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Nothin' silly? We don't need no silly! We don't need no stinkin' silly! |
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Tue Dec 21st 21:15 2004 / #278 |
"nasty little wank rag" - touch?© Madame profanity.......... Sweeping down to my level so graciously would certainly seem to me that all these words must have indeed struck a chord with you "Miss Barfly". If indeed they have tainted your educated brain and sucked you below your elevated station - pray why are you visiting such a worthless thread that had significant and well intentioned critical comment at the start only to become a worthless piece of gutter comment worthy of The Sun or The Guardian - which I am sure you read - although the pictures are probably more useful for you to help understand the stories pertaining to the headlines.
The Moderator
Phd MPhil MBA |
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Wed Dec 22nd 09:30 2004 / #279 |
Ha ha ha....very good. I wouldn't wipe my poodle's arse with the Guardian.
Merry Christmas!
I'd better be off to my baking and leave all this saloon talk to you men. Should I clean the spitoon before I leave?
Mince pie anyone? |
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Wed Dec 22nd 10:31 2004 / #280 |
Ah Dr Rude,
"...wipe my poodle's arse..." You have been tainted then. That said however, have a good Crimbo - and may all the mince pies you devour to sate your hunger - come with that little dollop of whipped cream to help the lumps slip down and digest. Have a great one ;-) Merry Christmas blah blah blah........
The Moderator |
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Thu Dec 23rd 06:35 2004 / #281 |
Hi Ruth
No I was certainly not England 4 ever give me some credit! He/she...but presumably he was a complete half wit, in my honest opinion. Every time I made a good point about the scots, he ruined it by calling them every name under the sun. It's worrying though that just because im patriotic you assume im on a level with that.
As for the moderater...lol..definently not me..if it was id have killed myself a long time ago......
merry xmas all.
BG |
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Thu Dec 23rd 06:37 2004 / #282 |
Dr Ruth I hate to point this out as you appear in general a fair minded enough person, but the airways above this thread was positively convuleted with a myriad of Anti English balloons, long before anyone even mentiones our Celtic cousins. In fact I think it's fair to say that fine display of hate ballons had more than their fare share of acidic gaelic bile keeping them afloat.
ok its childish to say he started it first....but they did! lol...Why is England always in the wrong in some peoples eyes. A scot attacks us he is defending himself. A bit like the way America defends itself, before anyones even attacked them! get in first. But god forbid an Englishman stands up for himself a dishes a bit back, we get demonised as hateful opressers.
Could this be as I suspect, a subconscious acknowledgement, that we are in fact a supreme race, and therefore to defen ourselves constitutes bullying the weaker, by reason of superiority and strength alone. Only possible explanation really.
Personally I think its rather unfair to the scots to treat them like helpless children who need protecting from the nasty English bullies. |
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Thu Dec 23rd 06:38 2004 / #283 |
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AND THERE U GO POST 231 again for you moderater since you enjoyed it sooo much.:) |
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Thu Dec 23rd 09:17 2004 / #284 |
Fill your ballons with the sweet breath of tolerance.
Merry Christmas to y'all.
Hast Du etwas Zeit fuer mich
Dann singe ich ein Lied fuer Dich
Von neun-und-neunzig Luftballons
Auf ihrem Weg zum Horizont
Denkst Du vielleicht grad' an mich
Dann singe ich ein Lied fuer Dich
Von neun-und-neunzig Luftballons
Und dass sowas von sowas kommt. |
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Thu Dec 23rd 12:42 2004 / #285 |
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I really think it's just about time Europe made war on those pathetic monkeys in the US, people complain about the English Race but it's homo americanus that's destroying the world, and I for one would jump for joy if they were all slaughtered. I say we get these idiot, non-representative Stag Night apes to start the slaughter here in Prague. |
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Thu Dec 23rd 13:08 2004 / #286 |
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England is baby America, and that's why they don't like their mommy. too bad. Most of Europe dosn't seem them as even being part of europe anymore, they're just an american satellite much like the Ukraine, and the Czech Republic were satellites for the Soviiet Regime. Good luck trying to start a war with america, if this happened I think we'd all be dead. And don't blame the US, if you don't like McDonalds and the Gap, and diesel then you shouldn't go there, I would agree with your idea to hate america, but just don't do it while wearing your nike or Puma shoes. |
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Thu Dec 23rd 13:18 2004 / #287 |
I don't like McDonalds and the Gap. Diesel's great, it's an Italian company. Once again you arrogant yanks assume anything anybody buys is American.
Okay, maybe not a war. I merely think that the Yanks should all be killed. It would be genocide if they were real people and not shuffling slackjawed apes. |
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Thu Dec 23rd 16:49 2004 / #288 |
So this is where the dumbest people in the world spend their time. After reading this mindless crap I gonna have to re-think my ideals on the literacy of the masses. Thanks for the lesson in mindless, bottomless, racist stupidity.
Love
a Yank |
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Thu Dec 23rd 22:00 2004 / #289 |
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oh lord no..I don't wear nike puma etc, and certainly do not patronise mcdonalds, gap etc with my business. I couldnt think of any thing less id like to do. I think youve misunderstood me though i do not hate America, i dislike greed. Theres alot of it in America, but thats not quite the same things is hating America, they certainly ont have a monopoly on it. |
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Fri Dec 24th 09:18 2004 / #290 |
Greed is good. Tuck in boys.
America is also the home of Ralph Lauren, T. Hillfiger, L.L. Bean,. Sterotyping US produce as McDonald's etc is nonsensical. Consumers like McDonald's or they would not survive.
Sorry that you wish to live in a fantasy world of corner shops and young lads getting a clip round the ear from the local booby. The rest of us will continue to enjoy the benefits of our age courtesy of Mother Capitalism.
To borrow two phrases:
You've never had it so good.
and
I'm lovin' it.
Happy Christmas ( please no more of this foul mouthed hatred guys - it just is not right at this time of year) |
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Fri Dec 24th 11:53 2004 / #291 |
Merry Christmas. I be not celebratin' the likes of Christmas, a terrible holiday forced upon us by St. Patrick and and Saxon Scourge!! Rather I be a-goin home to me native Strathclyde to celebrate me nice solstice feast. And in the new year blood will be spilt, O saxons, blood will be spilt!
--the Sons of Urien |
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Brittania Gloriana
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Fri Dec 24th 19:44 2004 / #292 |
Sorry that you wish to live in a fantasy world of corner shops and young lads getting a clip round the ear from the local booby. The rest of us will continue to enjoy the benefits of our age courtesy of Mother Capitalism.
Dr Ruth im beginning to think youre a bit of a tit. dont patronise me please. my world isnt 'fantasy', were i live there are corner shops, and the local bobby is still a reality for the majority of u.k. 'the rest of us' reads YOU my love, dont presume you either can or have the right to speak for the rest of us. It makes you look rather arrogant.
anyway. merry xmas and viva capitalism! |
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Mon Dec 27th 11:14 2004 / #293 |
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Can an entire thread be moved to the dump? |
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ST GEORGE
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Mon Dec 27th 11:42 2004 / #294 |
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God Bless the UK *especially* ENGLAND. It is our values all the world embraces and emulates. It is our language that will devour the others. It is our music that the people listen to, from the US to Nepal to France to Japan. There is a reason that I am treated with respect by all peoples of the world. Who doesn't tout the humour of the English? Who doesn't remember our brave stand against the fascists? What have we done but brought civilisation and culture to the less-privelaged of the world? |
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Tue Dec 28th 12:30 2004 / #295 |
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Hopefully he's just trying to be ironic. |
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Nigel
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Tue Dec 28th 12:30 2004 / #296 |
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Hopefully he's just trying to be ironic. |
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Robbo
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Thu Jan 6th 18:23 2005 / #297 |
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I don't think the K5 club is a good example to use. I usually book in advance when I visit (I come to prague just to go to the K5). The Chavs and Barrys either pick street girls up or go to the "cheaper" places in town. The problem is they get drunk and create mayhem. It's a funny thing about the English that they think bad drunked behaviour is amusing to sober onlookers. It isn't. They mostly look like idiots. |
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Thu Jan 6th 18:27 2005 / #298 |
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I forgot to mention, Prague is a beautiful city - especially the Charles Bridge area. The National Opera is a treat and the Red Cabbage and Potato Dumplings served up in many of the resturants are delicious :) |
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Thu Jan 6th 18:40 2005 / #299 |
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I know I'm starting to sound like Columnbo now, "just one more thing Sir!", but Besty summed it up perfectly in his intelligent and reasoned post near the top. |
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Fri Jan 7th 14:34 2005 / #300 |
Hi All,
I am back from Berlin, St Helens, Liverpool, Prague and Budapest.
I did not see any English hoodlums while I stayed in Prague for four days over New Years Eve. In that respect I do not have much to add to the initial discussion.
One strange thing happened though. In the early hours of 01st January 2005 around 2am me and my friend stumbled on a dead body in the middle of the town centre.
People carried on regardless. There was a women with a corn on the cob stand next to the body who carried on serving regardless. A very strange experience. Did anyone else see this.
Incidentally, I was in K5 New Years Eve as we did not know anywhere better or as big. It was pretty average.
One other point was the cab driver from the Airport trying to rob me. I snatched my money back from his cheeky hands and laughed in his fat face. I am not a kid anymore like last time. *Czech Cab Drivers beware* muhahahahaha
Nice one,
Christian |
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Mon Jan 10th 01:10 2005 / #301 |
Dear Christian, oh an thinking of it, Britannia,
Sorry butting in on the discussion so late, only wanted to express my deep felt sympathy with your plight and hope that despite your intellectual inadequacy and lack of social skills you will find your place in this world one day.
I personally hope you will find all the happiness in Spain (even such I don’t have anything against the Spanish in particular) since you obviously have to leave the job you are holding at the moment, otherwise you wouldn’t have that much time to post all these remarks.
Oh, and by the way not most Czechs are a bit more tolerating towards vandals of Anglo-Saxon decent, actually quite the opposite. We are usually just too polite to say te obveous.
Anyway was thinking of comming over to Cambridge with some friends for some nice bitter and the girls, so talking about it, your mother and sister are up for a date?
Have a nice day in your office, snort some more coke but do us all a favour and shut up,
Sincerely,
Honza |
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Tue Jan 11th 08:58 2005 / #302 |
Honza.
Suggestion for your visit to Cambridge:
After going for a punt on the Cam while not get totally drunk on weak British lager and then go beserk in the centre. Scream swear words at old women and threaten the locals. Vomit on a momument and treat the women as if their only role in life was to pleasure your manhood for money. Mock the local culture with references to historical incidents you heard about on cable TV and strut around like a peacock with a cucumber up its arse.
In this way you could give the good folks of Cambridge a taste of what we get every fucking weekend.
Enjoy Cambridge. Pity Prague. |
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Tue Jan 11th 13:00 2005 / #303 |
Jan Novak
Wow. How did I offend thee?
I recommend the bitter in Cambridge. However, you will need more than the pitance you earn and your lacking wit to find a woen in Cambridge. They will just think you are looking for a passport like many begging imagrants.
Slovenia next week. If you earned decent money you could party to you repressed miserable Czech cunt.
Christian |
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Tue Jan 11th 13:03 2005 / #304 |
Dr Rude,
If Cambridge was also a gothic whore house that would be the case.
If you tried that shit in my country you would get put straight on your fucking back as we don't roll over like you white flag waving cunts.
Fucking try my you mouthing little rat peasent cunt.
Lets face it your mum would go down on me if the Crowns right to feed your little brother.
Come to England. I will pay for your flight. As you get off I will crack your fucking jaw in half. Try me you fucking CUNT! |
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Tue Jan 11th 13:14 2005 / #305 |
Looking at Jan Novak and Dr Rude we should have left your surrendering EU fund scrounging country to the Germans TWICE.
You only have a problem because you have made your CAPTIAL CITY europes biggest WHORE house.
This would not happen in England. Never. It would happen in your country though.
And you try and give me stick about being English? You are a fucking joke. A complete joke.
Now fuck off back to job club you pair of EU statistics. |
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Tue Jan 11th 13:16 2005 / #306 |
So if we dont "roll over" then your right for abuse goes away? And if we do, then you are free to abuse?
That's some wacky morality you got there. |
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Tue Jan 11th 13:40 2005 / #307 |
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This would never happen in England, never! oh no, the land of good manners would never stand for whore houses in its capital, that's why they flock by the hundreds to prague to get diseases that they bring back to their normal bored housewives. I think Christian pretty much sums up what type of people these english tourists are. just keep posting, you re only making yourself look more and more infantile and stupid in your pursuit to try and make it look like the English are well mannered holiday goers. Hypocrisy? Blind Nationalism? Cultural Imperialism? hmmmm, Christian sounds like an American on speed. |
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Tue Jan 11th 14:30 2005 / #308 |
Again: 307 reactions just because the English cant hold their drink ?
Lets keep things in perspective: Jizni Mesto is paradise compared to your average UK council estate. The question is more: how come with ALL that money msot UK inner cities look and smell like war zones anyway ? |
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Tue Jan 11th 21:24 2005 / #309 |
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By the same token, Christian and his so-called hardass English mateys would last about thirty seconds in south central Los Angeles, pulling their little stunts, before someone popped a cap in his ass. |
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Tue Jan 11th 23:53 2005 / #310 |
Anonymous in 309,
Too right lad. Could not agree more. LA is a place where people will not accept the poor conduct of others.
I doubt anyone would have the balls to act up in Compton.
Can we touch base for crack hombre?
By the way RAMBO in England we settle our differences without guns. Have you ever heard the police term:
No Humans Involved
It is used to describe people in the ghetto killing each other. I get your point but do not be proud of the insanity.
Anonymous in 307,
You throw a few long words in at random to convince yourself you sound right. You do not even make sense? Read it again then right 100 times:
I must think before I speak in future
What does Prague offer as a destination that any other country doesn't:
EUROPES BIGGEST WHORE HOUSE
Change this and the problem may not persist. Sort your capital out!! Are you not ashamed of yourselves?
Its ok to go to Prague and fuck whorse and get aids though because they love our crowns and the police do fuck all about it as the are monkeys with badges.
Czechs last got stood up for themselves was when they where throwing their 'beautiful' women on to meat hooks in the prison to reduce paperwork during the nazi occupation.
This was your grandmothers.
I AM PROUD OF YOU, SO PROUD.
NICE ARCHITECTURE, FINE ART. GOOD STRIP SHOWS. 'SOME' FUCKING SPINLESS PEOPLE!
Next time you see an Englishman acting up tell him. Don't come on here moaning like spinless little whining rats. TAKE CONTROL you fucking maggots.
Saint Juste,
Unless you are from Monaco pretty much every country in the world has bad areas. Are you joking or just very slow to understand?
Night night you peasent cunts. |
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Wed Jan 12th 06:43 2005 / #311 |
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I used to think this thread was a laugh, but honestly, it's beginning to make me sick. |
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Wed Jan 12th 10:35 2005 / #312 |
paesant is actually mispelled. Here is a good online spellchecker that you can use in order to make your posts about how stupid czechs are a little bit more cohesive, and this may help your point a little bit.
http://www.spellcheck.net/ |
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Wed Jan 12th 13:57 2005 / #313 |
Anonymous 311,
I agree completely.
I thought it was a laugh to. There used to be some sensible people having a novel but frank debate about Prague.
I apologise for some terminology. I was insulted in the wrong way on the wrong day.
Now it is just people who do not know me and want to insulting me without just cause. If I am spoken to in such a way I will be insulting straight back in the same manner only I will always bite deeper. This is just me.
I am sorry for the way it has gone but the new contributers have chosen the wrong path to go down.
Put it this way I was in Prague last week. I seen many sites. I went to watch a classical concert. I paid my respects at some places of worship.
I never done drugs
I never went to a whore house
I never got rotten drunk and shouted or caused trouble
YET
I am spoken to like shit because I am English?
What is this meant to be? An abuse forum? If you want abuse I will dish it out but what's the point.
All in all I know none of the abusers would come and say these things to my face. They could not. That would take conviction.
Christian
P.S. Scrappy *yawn* |
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Wed Jan 12th 14:04 2005 / #314 |
Dear Christian,
Hope, am not the only one who feels pity for you but let me point out that making a fool of yourself is not that entertaining anymore. You made your point, that is you are a fine young prick who without the restrains of society gets out of control, thinks it appropriate to insult, offend, threaten, and best of all, brag about his whoring. I don’t really believe you can be real but if so go into the next corner, be ashamed and stay there.
Btw. is spinless supposed to be spineless or is that a drug induced misspelling? |
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Wed Jan 12th 15:10 2005 / #315 |
anon 314 (lots of courage there)
I told you what I did in Prague can you not read?
I will tell you what.
Why don't you carry on whinging to each other on a message board about the terrible English and do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to about the situation.
This is the way you have approached life for the last 100 years at least. Carry on its going well for you... |
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Wed Jan 12th 15:20 2005 / #316 |
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I think the so called "racist England bashing" has a lot more to do with you being a tosser, than people stereotyping all English people. come on mate, give it up. You're only proving their point. |
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Wed Jan 12th 15:29 2005 / #317 |
Nice one Jam,
Its ok to be out of order about the English but if I mouth back to the said people, I am a tosser.
Chellenging point, thank you for your contribution.
Well done Jam. |
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Wed Jan 12th 15:31 2005 / #318 |
Also, don't call me mate because I am not.
If you want to call me this to my face it can easily be arranged? |
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Wed Jan 12th 15:41 2005 / #319 |
Please, everyone stop posting to this thread. This guy Christian just seems to need a way to justify his own small view of the world and somehow validate his beliefs that everyone is trying to go after the English. A feeling of persecution generally leads to a liberation ideology that is the only thing that some people have to construct their identities. I reread the last 20 posts and saw nothing about people bashing the english, I did however see the most agressive attacks being leveled against the czechs by the guy who was supposedly defending the English. in general the theme of the post dealt with stag parties who in this country are predominately english, and are generally really annoying (that includes being annoying to the english that live here). Let's put this one to an end, and then Christian can start using two names so he can write back and forth to himself. Trust me, you don't need to defend the English anymore, your defense is generally just leveling attacks against those who you believe are attacking you, and your style just makes you (not the english) look stupid.
PLEASE DON'T GIVE THIS GUY ANY MORE FUEL. STOP THE POST!:) |
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Wed Jan 12th 17:33 2005 / #320 |
This was my third time in Prague. I like the art and culture very much and the people.
I was badly insulted DIRECTLY for being the only English guy still posting so the easiest target.
I will of course insult their country right back. It really is that simple. Yes the attitude stinks I would not agree more. But if you are to be crass and horrible to me you will get the same back.
Its ok for people to insult England or me if I say anything back I am this that and the other...
Playground mentality. Go and tell Miss.... Pathetic. |
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Wed Jan 12th 18:46 2005 / #321 |
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I always thought Amsterdam was Europe's biggest whorehouse. If it worked for them, why shouldn't it work for the Czechs? Unlike wet, dreary, expensive England, Czech tourism is growing, and it's not just about sex. And so what if the Czechs are somewhat casual about having some whore houses in town? They're not the English, and thank god they never will be. Their Bohemian behavior serves to highlight what arrogant prudes some other people like Christian are. It's hilarious to see these English clowns trying to reassert their manhood and their lives in general, preaching to others, threatening fisticuffs, what a gent, violence okay but no guns please, after watching the Czech guys, who they look down on for not having money, walking around with beautiful girls and who are actually doing okay, while they go back to the droll grind, living in quiet desperation, the English way as they say. Everyone knows the English mates that come to Prague on stags are like the guy you never invited to parties because every time you did he got so excited and drunk he vomited on himself and the furniture, grossing everyone out, especially the girls. Then later, when you tell him he's not welcome, he whines a lot, blames it on someone else, and then he even calls the cops. The other party guests, who aren't English, don't do that. And speaking of prostitution and nations, last time I checked Britain was still whoring itself out to the Americans over in Iraq. What's up with that? Hoping for scraps and seconds I presume, sort of like some of the English who come here. |
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Wed Jan 12th 19:41 2005 / #322 |
Anon 321,
Nah, I believe it is Prague. It is sort of hard to define. So who knows. Toss up between the two, no pun intended.
"Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way, the time has come the song is over though I'd something more to say"
- Waters
Like it, I could not agree with you more especially on Iraq. Have a pleasent evening.
Christian
P.S. I would contest that Cambridge is nice in Summer. |
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Fri Jan 14th 02:55 2005 / #323 |
Christian,
In post #313 you claim you never went to a whorehouse. In post #300 you state you were in K5. Hope you knew what you were doing in Prague. |
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Fri Jan 14th 12:20 2005 / #324 |
Oops.
I thought the K5 was that club with 5 floorsis it called Karlov Lazney or something. It is right next to the bridge.
I thought K5 was a nickname for it because it has 5 floors and begins with K. I could not remember how to spell it.
Ooops. Sorry I did not know K5 is actually a whore house. No I did not go to this place.
I understand now why many of you have been giving me grief. No I did not go to a whore house. I went to Karlov Lazne it was 1000 crowns to get in and I got a free bottle champaigne that tasted like cats wee. Its not the best clb in the world actually.
I thought the Czech Faith No More where good on the Thursday 30th. Very nice : )
Thanks for pointing this out td. Some serious crossed wires there.
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Fri Jan 14th 13:57 2005 / #325 |
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Christian, so No 13 is from your little brother than? |
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Fri Jan 14th 14:39 2005 / #326 |
Anon 325,
You assume because I had sex I must of paid for it?
Not everyone in the world is as usless as you with women.
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Fri Jan 14th 17:34 2005 / #327 |
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FYI, K5 is the best whorehouse in Prague. |
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Sat Jan 15th 01:12 2005 / #328 |
Christian, you are to good to be true, just do not stop posting here. you keep us entertained.
No. 13:
I am going to snort charlie of her pXXXy Can't wait to see what she does to me this time maybe with her friend too...
Well, not worth copying them all but yes this quite a freak show. |
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Sat Jan 15th 02:24 2005 / #329 |
Strokes for folks, I could not do it every day. I get your point this is not your cup of tea. In fact your are quite amused by what you find to be very extreme behaviour.
Just because you do not like something does not mean it is not right. Just because you do not agree doesn't mean it is wrong.
I have taken charlie. The odd time when it has been offered to me. Similar to many people around the world. It does not make me a drug addict. Just like having the odd pint does not make you an alcoholic.
In fact I have still not tried this act that I descibed. I would in the right time and the right place. I know it is not for everyone. Please excuse me if you are all not really in to kinky sex and the odd random class A. Not everyone is. I do not want to offend.
Please do not judge by my participation in the same way I would not judge by your non-participation.
If I amuse you I happy about this. As for being a freak show. Perhaps you are from a less liberated social group. One from which I completely respect your choice. I would expect you also to respect mine it is now 2005.
Freak show? Interesting perspective? Do you smoke or drink? It is taxable so it is ok. Burn your CD collection if you have such a vengance with experimentation.
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Sat Jan 15th 12:33 2005 / #330 |
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what's Charlie? is that Cocaine, or is it some other drug? |
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Sun Jan 16th 12:28 2005 / #331 |
Charlie is cocaine.
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Mon Jan 17th 20:59 2005 / #332 |
Jan Novak
I don't get it....you're comment about coming to Cambridge and dating our mothers and sisters? Are you trying to say you're mother and sister go on dates with the English lads in Prague then....lol....hardly suprised if you're typical of czech men!!! Or are they selling themselves to westerners in whore houses? Can't blame them for wanting better. English men, don't drag our knuckles on the floor, don't have ugly fat figures, backward slavic cave man views on women, and don't have all over body hair. We have far more money and succes then lazy Continental failures, and considering we havn't spent the last 500 years being whipping boys to the Germans, but instead conquering the biggest world empire ever seen we have slightly more self respect too. Can you blame you're women folk for dumping youre ugly fat ignorant inbred asses for us? Of course youre jealous...but so what. I feel sorry for you're women. Ok theyre slightly ugly and look like men,and less evolved then English chicks but still don't deserve you JAN
Come to Cambridge you sexy european romeo..pissing myself laughing, youre a joke here, English women I doubt would give you the time of day. Europeans are a joke to us, like silly children we laugh at. Youre crap pop music, youre total inability to creat anything for yourself, and the way you constantly fall to the germans beg us to bail you out, and then have the cheek to insult us anyway..lol.idiots. Thank god for the blessed English channel swhich allowed us to evolve seperate from you. You really think any Englishman would rather be a European? like YOU? lol..........crying with laughter.
gotta love you arrogant jealous assholes...bleat as much as you like you're insults are water off a ducks back...we are well aware, as are you, you insult us because youre below us. Simple as that. NOTHING you do or say changes that. We conquered the world and civilised humanity, while you bent over and got f*cked in the ass repeteadly by sausage sucking teutonic numb skulls. We have culture you have nothing. We are gods. You are apes.
You should thank you're lucky stars we can even be bothered to rampage through you're shitty streets, bone you're ugly women, liberate youre country from krauts and pay for youre pissy beer. When we dont bother and youre back to poverty and rubbish tips THEN bother us with your complaints. till then thank youre lucky stars you have us and shut up with youre insults...coz we aint interested. |
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Mon Jan 17th 21:09 2005 / #333 |
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you also sold czechoslovakia down the river twice. Chamberlain to Hitler. Churchill to Stalin. Thanks a lot. |
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Mon Jan 17th 21:17 2005 / #334 |
So you admit you're only hope of survival was England bailing you're arses out?
Unlike us who stood up alone to Hitler and stood our ground....You don't go around wiping our asses and having to look after England and PROTECT us from others..so why should we have had to do it for YOU? Are you children?
If Czechoslovakia was too weak to resist Germans and Russians..whys that Englands fault? If we had been conquered, which of course we were not..we fought!, but IF for arguement we had been conquered...would we have blamed Czechoslovakia? NO. Take responsibility for yourselves youre not children. |
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Mon Jan 17th 21:23 2005 / #335 |
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I'm not czech. Calm down you nationalistic nazi. |
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Mon Jan 17th 21:24 2005 / #336 |
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I think England was too weak to fight the russians. That's the real story, isn't it? |
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Tue Jan 18th 05:24 2005 / #337 |
Show me just where Russia has ever conquered or defeated English blood. NEVER. In fact show me where any Slavic nation has ever defeated a Germanic nation, English or otherwise, unaided. NEVER. Neither has any Celt or Latin. Crimean War we defeated the Russians. Cold war..who won that? where is the glorious communist state now? But the Anglo-Saxon union of United States and England still stands strong, in fact stronger than ever. You'll notice the Slavic expansionism of soviet Russia only extended into other slavic nations of Eastern Europe...why didn;t they carry on into the Germanic Nations of Scandanavia and England?
England TOO WEAK....dont make me laugh. We are the only nation on earth unconquered throughout our entire history. so whichever nation or 'race' you hail from youre talking absolute bollocks. |
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Tue Jan 18th 06:36 2005 / #338 |
you are a real idiot. I never said they conquered or defeated "English blood", nazi. Russia would have defeated Germany unaided. If craven Churchill hadn't made his infamous "deal with the devil" tens of millions of people from central and eastern Europe would have been saved. You are a piece of work, Hitler-boy.
you are not the only nation on earth unconquered throughout history. Canada has never been conquered. the US has never been conquered. Switzerland has never been conquered. The list actually goes on and on. And "throughout history" is a mighty long time. Say for "a thousand years." It still has a nice ring to it and it's more historically accurate. I believe England was conquered pretty mightily by William the Conquerer. Who was French. Heil, Churchill. |
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Tue Jan 18th 11:18 2005 / #339 |
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Wow, this thread just keeps going dosn't it. We've gone from Ukrainians pickpocketing, to a history lesson on why the English have kicked everyones ass in the last 500 years, to having sex with peoples mothers. But I m still wondering what this has to do with English not being able to hold their drink. If Britain is so unified then why do the scottish and Irish hate the english. oh, i forgot, it must just be jealousy. this thread has gone from weird to complete hysteria, and thankfully I know that most of my english friends are not like you. |
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Tue Jan 18th 17:07 2005 / #340 |
Canada is unconquered because it's mostly anglo saxon blood, with a few pockets of French. Same with Australia, United States, New Zealand and South Africa. All English colonies..proud and unconquered.
If you read Ghandi he accepted the fact that Europeans, in particular anglo saxon nations are the superior people born to rule. His objections were more to the way Indiand wernt recognised as above 'savage Africans' by the colonisers.
Anyone non-biased can tell this is true and would be man enough to admit it.Its down there in history. The English are unconquered and undefeated.The nearest thing was the Norman invasion, which was of course fellow germanic blood anyway, that had conquered celtic France. William the Conquere was not FRENCH. The French are gauls celts. The Conquere was a blond haired blue eyed Norman, part of a viking Norse uper caste from Denmark and Scandanavia that conquered and colonised the celts of Northern France. They are virtual first cousins to the English.
The reason Scottish and Irish hate the English is because the British Isles was there sphere of dominance for around 200-400 years before the Germanic tribes which the English descend from arrived. Since the first Englishman stept foot on this Isle the Celts have been second best ever since, they lost their land almost overnight totally out classed by their superiors, and have spent the last one thousand years in our considerable shadow. Hardly suprising they have an inferiority complex?
As for me being a NAZI. a nazi refer to a National socialist. Historically a German one. I am a Nationalist, I'm not a socialist. I have no great admiration for the Germans. They are better than the rest of Europe but have mixed with you so not as good as us their English cousins, the reason theyve lost two world wars and one world cup to us. I am a nationalist, perhaps a racist even, but not a Nazi thanks. I quite admire Jews and very pro Israel, so there you go. They are far better than most Continental Europeans by a long shot. Brave fighters and survivors for three millenia. |
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Tue Jan 18th 17:18 2005 / #341 |
oh and as for throughout History that IS true.not one thousand years. The English descend from Angles, Saxons and Jutes, the Western Tribes of the Germani. The Germani swept into Europe circa 200-400 A.D totally outclassing and conquering the Latin people of the Roman empire (who in turn were ruling over the weaker Celts (Gauls, Iberians, Welsh, Irish and Scottish).
BUT our history can be traced back even further. The name Germani is from Tacitus the Roma scribe, who branded us with this latin term meaning 'genuine'. Genuine to signify we were the Genuine Sythian people, the people of The Crimean lands. The Sythians can be traced back at least three thousand years,and there is a thorough account of them in Herodotus's Histories, the Ancient Greek father of history. He makes the point even then we were unconquerable, and though Darius the Persians great biblicalempire stretched from Africa to India, the Crimean lands of the Sythians were always unconquerable,despite the occasional defeat on the battle field. |
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Tue Jan 18th 17:34 2005 / #342 |
"But I m still wondering what this has to do with English not being able to hold their drink"
As for Britians holding their drink. We are the greatest drinkers on Earth. We are not nancy wine drinkers like the quai homosexual latin people in France, Italy and Spain. Like our German cousins we are proper beer drinking MEN. The reason we get appear to get pissed easily...appear to...is because we drink very fast, something we have had to do due to our bizzare liscencing laws. However we are still the greates drinkers on Earth, why we come to prague..its cheap enough for us to drink loads, and I've never met ANYONE who could hold more drink then an Englishman. fact. |
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Tue Jan 18th 18:34 2005 / #343 |
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Thanks for the last several posts, this history lesson really serves to reinforce what we have experienced here in Prague, that Englishmen are obnoxious asses and snobs who think they can hold their liquor. It also explains why Elvis is at the top of the charts on your cheesy island, you're living in the past. In the immortal words of the greatest Englishman, Austin Powers, maybe you should BEHAVE. That and fix your teeth, you clown. |
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Tue Jan 18th 18:52 2005 / #344 |
"It also explains why Elvis is at the top of the charts on your cheesy island, you're living in the past. In the immortal words of the greatest Englishman, Austin Powers, maybe you should BEHAVE. That and fix your teeth, you clown."
~A fine intellectual interjection there~
Apparently the best the missing link could muster in the face of a wealth of points that are there to be challenged.
Thank you for that. Your knowledge is only surpassed by your ignorance.
Here is a big bunch of bananas for you!!! oo oo oo
*CATCH*
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Tue Jan 18th 19:04 2005 / #345 |
It also explains why Elvis is at the top of the charts on your cheesy island, you're living in the past.
Thats because unlike you we have a glorious past not charachterised by passive submission to teutonic invaders. jealous? course. you are. |
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Tue Jan 18th 19:19 2005 / #346 |
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Elvis beats half the crap you lot come out with every year at Eurovision. 'scorchio...sminky pinky, disco baby sexy baby HOT....' Europop..cooool. lol |
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Tue Jan 18th 20:58 2005 / #347 |
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Man, I cant tell whether to be pissed off at this thread or hopelessly amused. |
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Tue Jan 18th 21:08 2005 / #348 |
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I don't think it's realistic to think that people are jealous of the English, but it does fit in with your fantasies of re-living the days of empire, teutonic invaders and such. The Chinese, Persians, Egyptians, Greeks, Italians, even the Mayans, all had vast empires in the past, like you, only they don't act like idiots in Prague, just the Brits. Why is that, we asked? Well, now we know. |
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Tue Jan 18th 22:20 2005 / #349 |
Teutonic invaders has nothing to do with the empire you oaf. teutons are those people who invaded you just 60 years ago. ask youre old folk.
The Chinese, persians, Eygptians, Greeks and Italians? hmm well where do i start. your knowledge of history is slightly off to say the least.
Greece has NEVER had an empire. so that for a start is rubbish. It had the earliest civilisation in Europe, but was not expansionist. MACEDONIA. under Alexander had an empire. perhaps you mean that. And yes it did impose its culture language and beliefs on others. read upon helenisation.
The Chinese empire? hmm possibly...but only about 5 miles outside theyre back yard. Chinese have never defeated Germanic nations, though they stuffed the Slavs in 1905.
Persians. True at last you have one correct! hooray. The Persian Empire was the worlds first great empire. ABOUT 10%the size of the British empire. Its gret ruler left an inscription saying I am Darius lord of the earth an Aryan of the Aryan race. His people spoke an Indo european langauge and contemporaried describe him as white. He never conquered the germanic people either however.
The Italians? I assume youmean the Romans? hardly any Italians today descend from Romans they descend from celtic tribes and germanic tribes such as the lombards,. Romans all but dies out. True though they had an empire. An empire that latest 1000 years then collapsed almost over night as soon as the germanic tribes such as the english arrived. As for the benevolence of their empire. tell that to the christians whose saviour was crucified by them. tell that to the jews whose temple was destroyed homeland decimated, and have struggled to get it back ever since,from another evil imprialist thief, the Mohmmaden Arabs. By all accounts the Romans were very keen on drunken debouchary too. Read up on Bacchus. three day orgies. the ruling caste would often rampage through the streets raping and murdering the civilians after one of these does. bestiality and peadophilia were widespread,slavery was common, and their idea of fun was feeding conquered people to lions in front of a baying audience.
Mayans...they practice blood sacrifice of children on conqured peoples and were expansionist. apart from that i know little about them
Eyptians? go to karnak and look at the reliefs of them pillaging and slaughtering their way through their empire and generally treating people like shit. They had drug and drink orgies and invented beer.
I notice you've missed out the latest empire the German one. The nazi misdeeds hardly need recounting do they.
so given all that the british empire and people are angles in comparison. kings of civilisation. gods you can only aspire to be. next time you see a group of drunken brits bow to their feet. we may act like idiots in prague, but considering we just shag youre ugly women and boost youre flagging economy than go home, thats a much better option to being conquered by Krauts and turned into slaves. you should thank us you ungreatful shits. I hope Germany rises again and crushes you again. Then when you change youre tune and plead with Britian to help you out this time we will read this thread back to you and say stuff you. learn german fast...im sure it wont be long. |
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Tue Jan 18th 22:38 2005 / #350 |
Chinese, Persians, Egyptians, Greeks, Italians, even the Mayans, all had vast empires in the past, like you, only they don't act like idiots in Prague, just the Brits. Why is that, we asked? Well, now we know.
Well it might be because the Mayans, Persians have died out? The others Greece, Italy and Eygpt are all med countires and have lovely sunny coastlines so don't need to go on cheap package holidays to prague. China probably a bit far away, besides they are probably too busy spreading communism and building nuclear weapons.
Just a question do the seedy Czech companies who market their home as a sex and drink capital of Europe market it the same way in China, Greece, Italy et all? If not you've probably answered you're own question. |
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Tue Jan 18th 22:42 2005 / #351 |
"I don't think it's realistic to think that people are jealous of the English"
So when the English turn up with far more money then Czech men, and have beautiful women falling at their feet, the Czech men don't feel jealous? I would.he Scottish abuse here to English certainly IS jealousy and always has been. |
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Wed Jan 19th 00:24 2005 / #352 |
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Here Here. Brilliant posts. It's about time people stopped slagging off the English. They are the best. I'm French but I wish I wasn't. English are great. |
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Wed Jan 19th 07:44 2005 / #353 |
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Not sure about that. Reading some of these posts make one realize how English lads have a tragic inferiority/superiority complex, unlike the French, Germans or Italians. |
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Wed Jan 19th 08:22 2005 / #354 |
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England apparently went downhill when the nasty commoners like Boring Norman, emerging from the prison ships, after being in for stealing a loaf and where he learned his history, got the upper hand over the royals, the select few who engineered the past British empire. Now these bores all claim royal blood lines, talk about inbreeding, and today's royals can't even organise a hunt. I personally know several very attractive Czech women who dumped Englishmen, because they refused to move to dreary, uptight England from Prague. It is the English who bow to the feet of the American Empire, and to most of them it feels good, like the old days. |
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Wed Jan 19th 08:43 2005 / #355 |
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Wed Jan 19th 09:00 2005 / #356 |
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Just like the English people. Angles, western tribe of the Germani. We ARE a germanic tribe you ignaramous and always have been. Nobody has EVER conquered us fact. |
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Wed Jan 19th 09:05 2005 / #357 |
Reading some of these posts make one realize how English lads have a tragic inferiority/superiority complex,
We dont have an inferiority/superiority complex. get it right. no Englishman feels inferior. We have feelings of superiority too right. dont you think the lion feels proud not to be a mouse. three lions on our shirts. We are the greatest nation on the earth a country of gods and heros, genius and talent. Of course we feel proud, and of course it baffles Europeans who can't relate to it in anyway.
Laughing my arse of at youre comment French Germans or Italiens dont feel superior!!! Of course they dont what have they got to feel superior about ? constantly being in Englands shadow? no..i wouldn't boast either. cracks me up. |
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Wed Jan 19th 09:09 2005 / #358 |
dreary, uptight England from Prague
Make your mind up one minute youre complaining about or wild non stop partying and sexual philandering..the next minute claiming were dreary and uptight. Youre just jealous of us. grow up assholes. |
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Wed Jan 19th 09:23 2005 / #359 |
As for youre comments about me being a commoner...my grandfather and his father were high ranking generals for the British army in Palestine and Eygpt. The British empire was won by the same people as me. not youre imaginary select few. the same hardy folk who took hitlers bombs night after night with a smile and a whistle. who sang cheerful songs of defiance and stoic wit as their houses burned, who laughed in Hitlers face with the spirit and courage of lions, while the rest of Europe was enaged in a shameful race to who could capitulate fastest to the krauts. These are the English,beloved race, gods blessed, supermen who stand in the face of time and history unconquered unshamed, forever superior, forever strong.
One drop of british spunk is worth an ocean of anyone elses. |
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Wed Jan 19th 09:51 2005 / #360 |
Sounds like you English are living in the PAST. As the song goes 'What have you Done for Me Lately?"
You remind me of the Spanish high school exchange student we hosted while I was in elementary school. Guy wouldn't stop talking about how great Spain was in the 17th century. Yawn. The only thing Great about your islands is what a great ass-kiser you have as PM. His head is so far up Bush's ass I don't know where Bush ends and Blair begins! |
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Wed Jan 19th 10:35 2005 / #361 |
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We took Ali G, and we're not giving him back. |
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Wed Jan 19th 11:25 2005 / #362 |
"We took Ali G, and we're not giving him back. "
Please keep him! ;-) |
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Wed Jan 19th 15:09 2005 / #363 |
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Until reading these posts I didn't think empires were to be admired, they're not exactly established for humanitarian reasons. I sort of picture Boring Norman perched at his computer, wearing his grandfather's medals, and dressed in his mother's bridal veil. I'm curious if this overexagerrated grandiose image of the past and superior attitude is shared by the majority of Englishmen, or is he just a little fringey? |
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Wed Jan 19th 17:17 2005 / #364 |
It's not over exaggerated. The British Empire stretched over two thirds of the globe. Given the tiny size of England and the area of land it conquered that in itself is proof of extroadinary superiority. English..the language of the English people, is spoken by over tow thirds of the planets as either the first or second langauge. English is the international language of business and commerce. When you land at an airport anywhere in the world the pilot and ground staff will be communicated in English.
It is a grandoise image, but to suggest its over exagerrated or undeserved just shows what a poor education and grasp of historical fact you posses. Again a European shouting off his mouth at the English due to his own sense of inferiority. Heres a wacky idea instead of sitting brooding over how much you hate English or Americans because there so much more wealthy and succesful, why not try getting of you're lazy fat ass and acheiveing something for yourself. If you're so superior and we so inferior why doesnt the history books show that. why doesn't the economic patterns show that. Why arnt the world speakin Czech, Welsh ,Irish or Polish? You say what has England done for YOU lately...exactly typical European attitude, nothing, try doing something for yourselves instead of leechiung of youre betters, especially the next time you get conquered by Germans,were sick of bailing you out. |
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Wed Jan 19th 17:26 2005 / #365 |
Norman,
Glad you could join us. Have a lot of time for your posts.
If I should die think only this of me:
That there is some corner of a foreign field that is forever England,
There shall be in that rich earth a richer dust concealed,
A dust whom England bore, shaped, made aware,
Gave once her flowers to love her ways to roam,
A body of England's breathing English air,
Washed by rivers blest by suns of home.
And think, this heart, all evil shed away,
A pulse in eternal mind no less gives somewhere back the thoughts by England given,
Her sights and sounds, dreams happy as her day,
And laughter learnt of friends and gentleness,
In hearts at peace, under an English heaven.
Rupert Brooke The Soldier 1914.
God bless my England,
Christian |
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Wed Jan 19th 17:27 2005 / #366 |
"You remind me of the Spanish high school exchange student we hosted while I was in elementary school. Guy wouldn't stop talking about how great Spain was in the 17th century"
Did he mention how little England sunk their unsinkable armada and sent them straight back home again? Sir Francis Drake even took time to finish his game of bowles first.....:) |
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Wed Jan 19th 17:45 2005 / #367 |
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Amen to that Christian. We have truly built Jerusalem in our green and pleasant land, and these Europeans just can't stand it can they. sad. |
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Wed Jan 19th 17:53 2005 / #368 |
The Nations (not so blest as thee)
Must in their turns to Tyrants fall,
While thou shalt flourish great and free,
The dread and envy of them all.
Still more majestick shalt thou rise,
More dreadful from each foreign stroke;
As the loud blast that tears the skies,
Serves but to root thy native oak.
Thee, haughty Tyrants ne'er shall tame:
All their attempts to bend thee down,
Will but arouze thy gen'rous flame,
But work their woe, and thy renown.
When Britain first at Heaven's command,
Arose from out the azure main,
This was the charter, the charter of the land,
And guardian Angels sung this strain,
Rule Britannia, Britannia rule the waves,
Britons never never never shall be slaves! |
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Thu Jan 20th 13:10 2005 / #369 |
This is hilarious, makes people that call americans nationalistic and arrogant look like schoolgirls. Keep it guys, take the spotlight of arrogance off of the US.
Thanks:) |
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Thu Jan 20th 13:14 2005 / #370 |
America,
What do you mean arrogance?
I would kindly remind you that the finest Americans are really English people who went on holiday only a few hundred years ago.
rule Britannia,
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Thu Jan 20th 15:09 2005 / #371 |
I cant believe this is still going on.....bloody briliant!!!!
And all this crap about Enghlish not being able to hold their drink!!!
I admit it....5 buds and i am anybodys, but i dont turn into a asshole, on the other hand i have mates who can drink all day. (who also do not turn into assholes)
And Christian....bit of a shit hole that club dont u think? when we went it, we thought "oh my god!!" warehouse parties in the early 90's sprung to mind...still had a good night swapping between the 4th and 5th floor..... Another 4 Vodka Red Bulls Please..... |
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Thu Jan 20th 15:25 2005 / #372 |
BTDIGTTS,
Yes, that place does make you think of a poor mans Hacienda. I got on the cocktails on the back of the fourth floor. They did not count in the New Year which was a bit shit. It was full of bloody blokes too. HIYA FELLAS!!
The best of that club for me was scousing it right to the front of the queue when there was 400 people stood there still at half ten. Fk that standing around off. I am English. hahahahaha
Christian
P.S. By the way some of may be disgusted that Christian jumped in a queue. You want to complaint to the breatest building in Prague:
British Embassy
Chancery, Consular/Visa, Economic,
Press and Public Affairs Section,
Defence Section
Thunovska 14
118 00 Prague 1 |
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Thu Jan 20th 18:37 2005 / #373 |
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All the presidents have been of English stock. Were still very much the ruling elite there. I think the only two who were more Irish were Kennedy and Clinton, both of whom spent most of their time in the whitehouse philandering and womanising rather than actually working. Clinton could have done us all in the favour and got rid of bin Laden in 97 when they knew where he was..instead he was too busy playing hide the cigar with his interns..and supporting IRA child killers....celtic blood gotta love it. |
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Fri Jan 21st 11:37 2005 / #374 |
Reagan was Irish too. So with Clinton that is already 16 out of the past 24 years.
Tide seems to be shifting. Other recent presidents of English descent prove the main point of this thread that the English can not hold their drink. Dubya an alcoholic during most of the seventies and eighties. LBJ liked a bourbon once in a while. Do I need to mention Nixon and his nightly strolls in his pijamas to the Lincoln memorial ? |
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Fri Jan 21st 11:43 2005 / #375 |
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what about Roosevelts. Dutch. |
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Fri Jan 21st 13:48 2005 / #376 |
Martin Van Buren, Dutch too.
Isnt this fun ? |
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Fri Jan 21st 14:34 2005 / #377 |
Saint Juste has so far added to this discussion at very random intervals the mentioned pearls of wisdom:
Edie Izzard myself is so 1997
The Royal Family was German
UK inner cities look and smell like war zones anyway
Martin Van Buren was Dutch
Anyone remember 'Rodger Irrelevant' from the Viz comic? |
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Fri Jan 21st 18:48 2005 / #378 |
Sainte Juste..a certain moustacheod little maniac with one testicle and a charlie chaplin moustache tried to write of the english as insignifanct drunks too. Herr Hitler was smug and certain he could defeat that drunken oaf churchil, who spent most days (and nights) drunk on bourbon puffing cigars, while Hitler was a teetotal vegetarian health freak.
Result....we kicked that krazy kraut and his laughable 'master race' to kingdom come!!!!! liberating you from their clutches on the way......still waiting for a thank you too.
British spunk...UNBEATABLE....Put that in youre pipe and smoke it garlic muncher!!!!!!!!! |
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Fri Jan 21st 18:55 2005 / #379 |
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"I Will not cease from mental strife, nor shall my sword sleep in my hand, till we have built jerusalem from Englands green and pleasant land" |
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Fri Jan 21st 18:59 2005 / #380 |
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right im off to rampage drunkenly round europe singing football songs and shagging their ugly birds...have a good weekend all! ;) |
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Fri Jan 21st 19:24 2005 / #381 |
Norman,
You beat me to mentioning that Churchill was a complete alcoholic and Hitler was a teetotal decorated war hero. Well mentioned. Put that in your pipe and smoke it indeed.
Actually, I am doing the same as you this weekend without even leaving the house. I'm going to drink lots of ho ho ho hoegaarden and sing some Premiership anthems. Need to get some practice in for Ljubljana next weekend.
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Fri Jan 21st 22:08 2005 / #382 |
Some more irrelevant facts. That is what you get from a good continental education.
Hitler was not a kraut, but an Austrian.
This country was not liberated by the English, but by USA and Soviet Union troops then sold out by the English and Americans to the Soviets at Yalta and Postdam conferences continuing the nice tradition of teh sell out at Munich to the Germans by heer Chamberlain. The real liberation was done in house in 1989.
And Hoegaarden (capital please because it is the name of a town) is Belgian beer.
Guys, have a nice weekend too. Drive carefully. |
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Fri Jan 21st 22:57 2005 / #383 |
Saint,
I apologise profusely for not giving Hoegaarden a capital letter. How dare I underestimate the only good thing to come out of Belgium?
~Incidentally, the word 'the' is spelt 'the' not 'teh'.
~Furthermore, 'heer' is used in the English language as a word to describe 'a yarn measure of six hundred yards or 1/24 of a spindle'.
Did you learn English through a linguaphone course you found in the attic? I would urge you to pursue your money back at once. If you are the product of a continental education there will be no imminent cures for cancer on the horizon I would boldly speculate.
Read this carefully one last time.
Why didn't you assemble an army and fight the sausage munchers yourselves? You know, FIGHT FOR YOUR FREEDOM in a much similar way to the rest of the human race.
Instead you moan on a message board over 80 years later like helpless children. Are you not ashamed of this cowardice you repeatedly display?
Lastly, I think you will find England has the safest roads in Europe. We know not to drive drunk:
http://www.aim-digest.com/gateway/pages/drive/articles/best. htm
Christian
P.S. Please reply I could shit on you all year. |
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Fri Jan 21st 23:02 2005 / #384 |
Austrians are krauts. Germans, a border and a false seperation doesnt mean anything. genetically, historically and lingustically there as german as there brothers in Bohemia...as Her Hitler bless his cotton socks was well aware.
As for France not being liberated by the U.k Fuck you.. you stupid insulting prick. Their hundreds of our brave lads dead in your fields to save youre arrogant idiotic arses. The americans didnt even turn up till it was virtually all over. I persoanlly think with ungreatful attitudes like that, we would have been better of leaving you all to Hitler. I certainly will never fight a days battle foryou lot, my brave forefather must have been barmy. |
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Fri Jan 21st 23:21 2005 / #385 |
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France ? This country was Czechoslovakia at the time. Have a look at a map once in your life. |
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Sat Jan 22nd 02:40 2005 / #386 |
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I assumed you was a garlic muncher because of youre name saint juste. Bit francophilic... Ok if youre not a garlic munching froggie fair enough. I have no idea who liberated czechoslavakia....but im dam sure it wasnt the czechs themselves. Im sure youre lovely people dont get me wrong....but the U,S,A, which is an English colodny anyway didn;t do jack shit to stop Hitler until 1944 and didnt bother to get involved in ww1 until 1917 either.....England on the other hand stood up to Hitler from day one....fuck chamberlain...churchill and the british people were against Hitler from day one..and thats why one quarter of a million of us proud lions are buried in your fields dead so you can free to insult youre liberatirs memory with you dispacable anti english bile. ok were not perfect but were a damn sight better than most...and you owe us everything. |
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Sat Jan 22nd 02:44 2005 / #387 |
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and yes i am drunk when i wrote that..its friday night...abd english culture is to be drunk as possibvle at wekends...you know the score Christians...scousers best Englishmen of all!!.,...respect to you bro...now im off know to the three panting nymphetes in my bed waiting to be shagged senseless.....damn wish i was european!!!!!! lol... |
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Sat Jan 22nd 02:53 2005 / #388 |
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Sat Jan 22nd 04:13 2005 / #389 |
Saint Juste,
Your flag should be a white cross on a white fucking background.
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Sat Jan 22nd 04:21 2005 / #390 |
Norman Anglosex god,
Good show ol' chap. Thank you brother.
Actually, I watched a film called 'the Pianist' last night. It is about the Nazi occupation of Warsaw.
There are moments when the Jewish family hear on the radio that the English where joining the war and they where cheering. The polish/Jewish support of the English were mentioned throughout the film.
It is portrayed by Roman Polanski that the Polish where slightly more appreciative of our Grandfathers sacrifices than certain other countries in Europe. Or maybe it is just today’s generation of Czechs are a tad forgetful?
Christian
P.S. I just ran out of Hoegaarden. I can hardly believe it. I had to move on to Jack Daniels and coffee. Not bad actually.
P.P.S. I think one thing we all agree on is that this must never happen again. Night night. |
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Sat Jan 22nd 09:50 2005 / #391 |
From the Guardian newspaper:
"A "three strikes and you're barred" drinking ban order is to be introduced to deal with persistent binge drinkers who cause disorder in town and city centres, it was announced yesterday.
The measure is to be accompanied by the declaration of "alcohol disorder zones" where publicans will be given a "yellow card" warning that they have eight weeks to deal with the problem or face paying the costs of extra policing, street cleaning and NHS treatment.
Ministers made clear yesterday that their plans to introduce flexible hours drinking laws in England and Wales will go ahead from November this year. But they hope yesterday's package will have drawn the sting from accusations that the change will fuel antisocial binge drinking."
Obviously the English aren't behaving and can't hold their drink in their own backyard either. Maybe the Czech police should set up a desk at Ruzyne next to EZ Jet and issue these self-righteous English morons who come here to cause trouble a colored drinking card, signed off by the Czech pub staff to evaluate their behavior, then the ones acting up can be barred from getting a drinking card the next time they come to Prague to raise hell. Maybe the Czechs should even charge them for the card. Would apply only to the English, of course. |
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Sat Jan 22nd 10:12 2005 / #392 |
If only the problem was this simple as your incredible child like mind.
In England the government enforce drinking hours that encourage people to squeeze a night out on say a Friday in a small town to 4 hours. A person may go out at 7 and stay out to when the bars close at 11. Or in cities 2am.
This encourages people to binge drink as they only have four hours to drink in these circumstances.
Furthermore, everyone leaves the bars at the same time! All people who want a night out until closing hours must all get a kebab or whatever at the same time then get a taxi at the same time.
If we had sensible drinking hours this would reduce greatly this problem. People could drink at a sensible pace. Also, people would not have to leave all together causing problems as there is not enough transport etc for everyone due to this.
If you are going to make a statement here is a clue for you. Think about it first.
As for your solution lets just say that is completely what I would expect from you. Uninformed, petulant and sensationalist, you’re a joke.
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Sat Jan 22nd 13:50 2005 / #393 |
From the article at the top of this post:
"It has become the stag night capital of Europe, attracting thousands of young, mainly British, men looking for cheap beer and sex. But now politicians and tourism officials in Prague are calling for laws to tackle the drunken visitors because they are putting off the more sophisticated holidaymakers.
A report, released last week by the Czech tourism office, revealed that the historic capital of the Czech Republic, famed for its beautiful architecture, is now attracting large gangs of rowdy men looking for a good time.
Police in the city say that 20 per cent of all weekend crime involves British men on stag nights."
Combined with the info in the Guardian article and the fact that Prague has no drinking hours, I would say you are in denial over this problem of British criminal behavior in Prague. Cards are going to be used in your country to control this problem, so why couldn't they be used here? Or, in your case, they could just use a beanie with a propeller on it. |
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Sat Jan 22nd 14:07 2005 / #394 |
Facts are stupid things
- once again, Czechoslovakia was liberated by USA troops (Western Bohemia) and Soviet troops (rest of the troops), no British troops involved
- no local resistance to German occupation ? next time when in Prague pick your head up once from puking in the gutter and look to those black plates you see on many houses in the center and outside in honour of Czech cilivians executed as resistance fighters during the war and the many killed during the Prague uprising when the German troops were kicked out in advance of approaching Soviet troops
- no local resistance to German occupation ? more than 300.000 civilians killed during the war
- no local resistance to German occupation ? many young men escaping the country to join the yes British troops, especially airmen joing the RAF
- no local resistance to German occupation ? Ever heard of the killing of the local nazi headmen Heyndrich by the Czech resistance ? Only country in occupied Europe when the head of the occupation was eliminated. In retaliation all inhabitants women and children included in a local village were murdered
- regarding the Pianist movie from Polanski: yes it makes you feel all warm inside doesnt it, until you check the real events after such almost total endlosung of all Polish jews, handing over of Polish army command by Churchill to Stalin who promptly ordered their liquidation, carving up Poland at the Yalta and Postdam dinner tables between Stalin, Roosevelt-Truman and dear old Winston, Churchill dropping the Polish government in London exile
etc.
Historic facts are boring.
Better to drink yourself stupid.
Oh by the way I honour all British soldiers killed and mained in both world wars.
They join my greatgrandfather who was killed at the Western front in 1914 (on the side of the allies I might add). Lions lead by donkeys - in both cases.
I stop it. Goodbye. |
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Sat Jan 22nd 19:29 2005 / #395 |
Saint Juste,
I don’t throw up in the gutter. I am a business professional and I am hardly young enough for all that.
Anyway, in response to your points which where on occasion wide of the mark:
Do you recall your prime minister’s meeting with Hitler? As the story goes president Hacha was left outside Hitlers office for sometime while Hitler played with his dogs. Upon letting Hacha in Hitler announced he would take your country whereupon Hacha fainted.
Hacha begged Hitler not to take his country. He was then forced to sign a declaration of surrender. I managed to find a picture of their meeting:
http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg18/pg7/pg18798.html
Why do you point at Churchill and Roosevelt? I will spell it out:
President GAVE YOUR COUNTRY TO HITLER
Maybe you believe what you want to believe because the 1st man of your country was a complete coward who sold your mothers mother out before a gun was even fired. I would understand your actions.
I am aware of the Czech uprising, May 5th 1945. Better late than never, eh. Please answer my initial question you constantly sidestep:
"Why did you not form an Army and fight the Germans at the start of the war when the sausage munchers took the Sudeten Lands from you like candy?"
Of the 300 000 how many died on their knees and how many died on their feet? You will find a great many of your brothers where herded to prisons and executed. A preferred method was throwing people on to the meat hooks that can still be found there today.
You go on to mention Reinhard Heydrich who was indeed a danger to himself with his low sense of personal security. The two Czech fighters involved where trained by MI5 (MI5 is not our answer to your K5 by the way)
The pair of bumbling Czechs (God bless them) almost fucked it up. The gun locked and the grenade went in to the back of the car and missed Reinhard. I thank god the small wound he received from the horse hair filled seats in the car went septic and he was killed by the infection.
I seem to remember one of underground members involved walked straight in to the Gestapo headquarters and grassed the entire underground up. Whereupon the Gestapo went out immediately and murdered them all in cold blood. Hey with friends like that who needs enemies?
So the Nazis went and shot and tortured men, women, babies, little girls. Your family.
Its ok though because when you look at history you will bitch about the ENGLISH waving a piece of paper not the good old NAZI GERMANS. HOW DOES YOUR HEAD WORK? PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME!
The Pianist did not make me feel warm inside. Films are seldom truly representative of events, this is the point you try to make by crudely insulting me. No this is not how I learn about the world. I am not American (kidding).
Out of interest I research the war myself with books and documentaries and visiting places in my spare time. In March I am visiting Auschwitz for the 60th anniversary to pray.
Also in my next trip to Prague I plan to visit Lidice to pay my respects. Not wander the streets pissed.
It might not be right for me to mention it but it is also my ambition to piss on the spot that bastard Reinhard was assassinated. I am sure none of you agree. Sorry.
I love History almost as much as I love my England. I feel I would agree with you on most things if you would just stop speaking badly of my country.
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Sat Jan 22nd 20:57 2005 / #396 |
You are well informed Christian, but still manages to mix some important dates.
September 1938 England and France agree at Munich conference with Hitler demands to annex Sudetenland. Army of Czechoslovakia mobilized. Contrary to defence agreement England and France refuses assistance to Czechoslovak army. President Benes, not invited to attend Munich conference, resigns. Czechoslovakia loses 60 procent of territory to Germany, Poland grapping some pieces and Hungary grapping southern Slovakia.
March 1939 Hacha gives away remaining part of Czechoslovakia to be incorporated as Protecorate of Bohmen und Moren in German Reich.
Yes you are right, Hacha was despicable is giving away his own country, what was left of it. But more despicable than giving away SOMEBODY ELSES country as did Chamberlain ? Here is another holiday snap to look at:
http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg47/pg0/pg47037.html
Same source as yours.
Respect to you for visiting Auschwitz and Lidice.
Apologies for mixing you up too much with Norman and others above.
They do not deserve your congratulations.
I do not intend to speak badly of your country. Many great things could be mentionned, alas sadly lacking in many threads above. What about Magna Charta, Mother of Parliament, NHS, London, Beatles, WB Yeats, Turner, ... etc. ?
None of the England defenders above mention these, only calling us cowards, garlic smelling, thiefs, ... and bad English speaking-writing. Give my typing skills a break please.
Can this discussion be redirected to DRINKING again ?
All available evidence so far points out that the UK has the most negative impact from binge drinking of all countries ? Any evidence to the contrary ? |
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Mon Jan 24th 02:49 2005 / #397 |
oh well, went to prague, shagged a lady, drunk lots of beer and went home.
Summary: more czech people making noise than any english i heard, i think the fact that we are english is the only real thing that draws attention to us.
As for going there to have sex with prostitutes and get drunk..........eeeerrrrm hell yeah. I dont see that the insult throwing from both czech and brit sides did anything though to help the situation though did it?
Anyway, if anything i had to say i done it, was worth it just for fun anyway, and of course, i went there for the culture, i visited the beautiful buildings and i even slipped some woman one outside the british embassy as well ;-p |
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Mon Jan 24th 05:54 2005 / #398 |
"But more despicable than giving away SOMEBODY ELSES country as did Chamberlain ?"
Saint Juste, you are clearly ignorant of British history.
A few facts:
The British Army in 1939 was a small, professional force. It was supported by the poorly trained and ill-equippedTerritorial Army. At the outbreak of war the British Expeditionary Force dispatched to France was 12 divisions in size. This was from a total force of 50 full and part-time divisions. In addition to the forces of the British Army, also consider the size of the forces that the British army could draw on from the dominions and British colonies. These included a number of divisions from Australia, Canada, South Africa and New Zealand along with a large armed force of approximately 200,000 stationed on the Indian sub-continent. In terms of immediate preparedness this force was relatively small compared with the forces of other major combatants. The fully trained professional army was limited in size and it would take some time for troops from the dominions to reach Europe.
The RAF in 1939 consisted of 135 squadrons. This comprised 74 bomber and 24 fighter squadrons. In addition to the 'fighting' wing of the RAF there were a number of army support squadrons, reconnaissance squadrons and torpedo bombers. These were assisted by an Auxiliary airforce of some 19 squadrons. Throughout 1939 preparations were made for a possible air war. This included large exercises in Southern France and practice blackouts in parts of England. By the outbreak of war, radar had been fitted to a number of Bleinheim bombers. This increased the chances of the bombers finding their target and provided early warning of enemy attacks.
The Royal Navy was, in 1939, the largest naval force in the world. The fleet contained 15 Battleships, 7 Aircraft carriers, 66 cruisers, 184 Destroyers, 60 submarines and a number of support vessels.
The British government introduced conscription and by May 1940, British Army strength was brought up to 50 divisions. Of these, 13 divisions were in France fighting against the German Western Offensive. After the evacuations from Dunkirk were complete, the British Army had 1,650,000 men.
After the fall of France in June, 1940, the British Army was mainly used to protect the British Empire. This included sending troops to Egypt, Singapore and Burma. A small force was also sent to Greece in March 1941 but it was soon forced to retreat. British Army units also took part in the Allied invasions of Sicily, Italy and France.
By June 1945 the British Army had grown to 2,920,000 men. During the Second World War 144,079 British soldiers were killed, 239,575 were wounded and 152,079 were taken prisoner.
Conclusion - Britain was not in a position to prevent or hinder the German military marching into Czechoslovakia in 1939. Had it had a coastline, the British Navy may had been able to offer some resistance, but the land forces were too small and too ill-equipped to provide any resistance to Hitler's expansionist plans for central Europe.
Chamberlain was aware of this, and so was Hitler, et al. Given the circumstances, as history has demonstrated, Chamberlain made the right call. |
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Mon Jan 24th 08:10 2005 / #399 |
Exactly the case Churchill made against Chamberlain, appeasers, Daily Mail etc.
So indeed the defence treaty of UK and France with Czechoslovakia was not worth the paper it was written on.
Oh, by the way if the UK could barely protect itself during the first years of the war - aided by Open Seas and Land Lease support from USA) and the Norh Sea - what is this complaint about that the smaller forces of Czechoslvakia did not fight the invading Germany army ? |
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Mon Jan 24th 08:28 2005 / #400 |
Lets quote the great man himself:
Baldwin thought Europe was a bore, and Chamberlain thought it was only a greater Birmingham.
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Mon Jan 24th 08:32 2005 / #401 |
Monday morning reading for all the prince Harrys out there:
Winston Churchill --- who became the great war leader of the British 8
months after WWII began in September 1939 --- was a lonely backbencher in
the Conservative Party arguing against appeasement that was being practiced
by the British and French governments toward Hitler and Mussolini in the
1930s. Again and again, including secret evidence of fast German rearmament
that some British agents gave him at their peril (it was illegal), he
assaulted the illusions of the Baldwin Conservative-Liberal and Chamberlain
Conservative-Liberal governments after 1933, the year Hitler came to power.
The British appeasers and the Conservative party heads regarded him as a
reckless maverick, a war-monger. Only when the war erupted over Poland in
September 1939 was he brought into the Chamberlain government as the head of
the British navy. In May, as the lowland countries were attacked and
defeated by the Nazis and France was soon to fall, did the Conservative
party rebel and kick out Chamberlain and make Churchill their leader.
Here are two good quotes of his to keep in mind:
Churchill on neutrals:
At present their plight is lamentable; and it will become much worse. They
bow humbly and in fear to threats of violence, comforting themselves
meanwhile that the Allies will win, that Britain and France will strictly
observe all the laws and conventions, and that breaches of these laws are
only to be expected from the German side. Each one hopes that if he feeds
the crocodile enough, the crocodile will eat him last. All of them hope that
the storm will pass before their turn comes to be devoured. But I fear - I
fear greatly - that the storm will not pass.
Churchill on Munich:
Britain and France had to choose between war and dishonor. They chose
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Mon Jan 24th 09:35 2005 / #402 |
Lady Astor approached Churchill at a party and said,
"Winston, you're drunk!"
"Yes, I am", replied Churchill, "and you, madam, are ugly. But I'll be sober in the morning."
(I believe that today is the 40th aniversary of his death.)
Now, what a wonderful link back to 'Prague plans a crackdown on the drunken Britons'. |
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Erm... I just read that 20% of crime "involved" Brits - that I can believe. Is that the same as "caused by", though? What proportion is violence and theft towards them...? Prague perhaps less than some other places - but the Eastern Europeans can have a bad reputation for ripping off tourists... |
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Tue Jan 25th 09:47 2005 / #404 |
Saint Juste,
Thank you for correcting me on the dates.
I would like to point out that Churchill pleaded with Chamberlain not to sign the Munich agreement.
In fact for the eight years previous Churchill constantly warned the government that the Germans where assembling an Army. His cries where constantly ignored as the tragedy and loss of WWI was still fresh in the minds of most.
If the British government had of listened to Churchill here the war would have been arguably significantly shorter.
"So indeed the defence treaty of UK and France with Czechoslovakia was not worth the paper it was written on."
Germany had been assembling a massive army for years secretly. What could we have done?
* We had no way of getting to you as Czechoslovakia is a land lock.
* Our army was much shortened by WWI.
* After the market crash of 1929 there was much poverty and no money for an army
* People did not want believe war was starting again as most familys in England lost someone in the first great war.
* People believed that giving Hitler the Sudaten lands would create peace in Europe.
Who knew what Hitler was about to do. We are not fortune tellers?
This great man you constantly insult was on your side against Chaimberlain you know.
Christian |
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Tue Jan 25th 10:10 2005 / #405 |
Christian
Misunderstanding: I was not insulting the greatest living Englishmen. I made the contrast with Neville Ch. clear didnt I ?
It think the conclusions are becoming clear. Governments take decision based on Real Politik. Benes did when demobilising the Czechoslovak army when German troops occupied Sudentland and no support from UK and France was coming.
Chamerlain and Daladier did when handing over Sudetenland to Hitler because of the weakened situation of their armies. And indeed Churchill (Roosevelt/Truman] did at Yalta and Postdam when handing over Eastern Europe to Stalin because they had no resources and/or will power to tarnsforming WOII into WOIII.
The key point I was trying to question all along was the presented contrast between the Czech/Slovaks as cowards allowing to be invaded by Hitler and the English Lions supposedly standing behind Churchill to fight Hitler from day one as was claimed above.
History shows that people can be heroes in certain circumstances, governments really are.
So on the all time ranking of best British prime ministers:
1. WSC
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Oi! nigel, call up Ian, we're goin whoring. wooohooo! |
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Hooray Prince Harry finally learned to email |
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Tue Jan 25th 12:19 2005 / #408 |
Saint Juste,
Voting on the best Priminister, ok I must say what I know about politics can be written on a stamp. I do not even vote these days, I am sorry. I am only think about the war, music, football, travel and culture. Ignorance is bliss.
I understand your point. I don't think anything is ever simple enough to make a generalisation. If I did I am sorry but this is a chance for me to learn more of these events.
I disagree with you, I am from Liverpool so the greatest English man is 'John Lennon' hahaha.
The next time I am in Prague I would like to buy you a pivo.
Christian |
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Lizzie,
Hey, at least our future king knows how to smoke pot properly!! Not like that amateur Clinton. hahahaha
Christian |
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Tue Jan 25th 13:16 2005 / #410 |
Liverpool ? Ah the European Capital of Culture 2008.
My Scouser nominee for Greatest Living Englishman: Mr. Rigsby.
However most contributors to this thread would only know about Maggie May.
Oh, and WEG was born in Liverpool too.
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Tue Jan 25th 16:59 2005 / #411 |
Christain, or claiming to be.
"I disagree with you, I am from Liverpool so the greatest English man is 'John Lennon' hahaha."
Was, not is! ;-) |
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Saint Juste
"My Scouser nominee for Greatest Living Englishman: Mr. Rigsby."
No way! Bill Shankly, the surrogate King of Liverpool. ;-) |
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Tue Jan 25th 19:23 2005 / #413 |
More powers to municipalities fighting prostitution -- ministry
BENESOV- Towns and municipalities are to have more powers when fighting prostitution according to his ministry's new bill restricting prostitution, Interior Minister Frantisek Bublan told mayors at a meeting in Benesov today...
The planned bill is the first to regulate prostitution in the country since 1951. According to last year's estimates, up to 25,000 people earn money as prostitutes in the Czech Republic.
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btw, as long as we're going on about stereotypes- I always thought that the idea that all british people have bad teeth was a stereotype but then I went to london and was blown away by everyone's horrible teeth, then I went to work for some Britons in prague and all my bosses had horrible teeth. so if this seemingly unreasonable stereotype is true, who's to say that every other about Britons isn't? |
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Wed Jan 26th 08:22 2005 / #416 |
other true stereotypes by my research and experience-
most american women are fat as hell
most czech guys can't remotely satisfy a woman nor would they care
majority of english women are ugly by most standards
east german women tend to be butch
majority of central/south american women are beautiful by most standards.
am i right or what? sorry to say but some stereotypes are flat out true.
but as for british stag groups being loud and obnoxious? i would say that this one is untrue. usually they are just having fun and not bothering anybody. cheers! |
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Wed Jan 26th 10:53 2005 / #417 |
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yeah, most of the stag parties I see are really quiet and respectful. plus they can really hold their liquor. cheers |
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Thu Jan 27th 00:25 2005 / #418 |
All,
I was in my local boozer 'Red Lion' in Histon, Cambridge having a few quiet pints tonight watching 'the dirty blood money Russian mafia' Chelsea laugh off United.
Anyway, I got talking to a guy from Prague. He had never tased Hoegaarden (which I was drinking obviously). I said to him "taste a bit of that mate" (in German his English was poor (better than my Czech though I know)). When I had turned round five seconds later he had drank the lot!! Causing trouble again you Czech lot!! Those cheap Easyjet flights etc... BAN THEM!!
By the way, why is it every Czech person I meet knows nothing about Brno?
Mind you I do seem to see eye to eye with every Czech person on one subject. Milan Baros!! I think they should make him your new leader!!
Nice one,
Christian
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Thu Jan 27th 20:03 2005 / #419 |
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to be honest the one about the english having bad teeth is not something id ever heard. i think thats just from the austin powers film..not widely heard or believed. English people gerally have better teeth then the gypsy crones hanging around in prague pickpocketing |
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Thu Jan 27th 20:11 2005 / #420 |
majority of english women are ugly by most standards
I would not say so. English women are much more beautiful then czech women who tend to be chubby, fairly ordinary looking and have square jaws like men. They also all tend to have a kind of distant glazed expression like no brain in their head?!?! sorry not being offensive this is absolute truth. no personality. English women have fire, in fact scottish, irish and welsh too. Slavic women tend to be empty vessels and quite cold hearted. the best are poles..they are the exception. very fun and beautiful.
French women hairy and quirky..adventurous lovers...but too deep and arty to be truly sexy. Italian women..my god beautiful but with attitudes. German women...hmm big noses. scarily auhtoritarian and disciplined. steffi graf. not my idea of attractive really. swedish women..gorgeous but again slightly cold and reserved. spanish women, curvey and beautiful...but not easily seduced....hot tempered too..but fiery give me a spaniard womean over a quiet as a mouse slav any day. greek women....like spanish women but with moustaches..and ten brothers all called kostas. |
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Thu Jan 27th 20:23 2005 / #421 |
Hitler the Sudaten lands
plus lets be honest here the majority of the people in the sudeten lands were ethnic germans something like 85%. they hadnt chosen to be part of czechoslavakia it was forced on them by Versailles. So if the Czechs had any sense or forsight they would have realised building youre entire defenses along a border which was liable to dipute and likely never to be permenant, wasnot only follish., it was damright idiotic and suicidal. Once Hitler had the sudetenland all czech defenses had gone. It would have taken less then a couple of hours for Germany to verun czechoslovakia as in fact they did months after munich. We would have had to maneouver ourt troops, move all the way through France, invade Austria and defeat the nazi armies within a day to prevent it. impossible. Now Britian was very annoyed Hitler had did this, but it was too late, it was a fate complet. But it made us all the more determined not to let Hitler ever invade anywhere again unapposed..as we did! We didnt have to go to war for poland. we cerainly should never have gone to war for france. But we did.
Youre view of the world England turning its back on czechoslavakia uninterested is totally untrue, and just plain racist towards English. it didnt happen like that at all. |
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Fri Jan 28th 07:17 2005 / #422 |
anon 420- "English women are much more beautiful then czech women who tend to be chubby, fairly ordinary looking and have square jaws like men"
don't make me laugh and fall of the stool, you're so full of shit. yea we're all proud of where we come from but give me a fucking break.
hopefully it's just a typo, you meant to write "English women are much more ugly then all other european women except maybe french, they tend to be chubby, fairly ordinary looking and have square jaws like men" |
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Fri Jan 28th 09:26 2005 / #423 |
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Fri Jan 28th 09:48 2005 / #424 |
#421
Hitler troops invaded Alsace and annexed before invading Czechoslovakia.
No reaction then either. So to state that UK was determined not to let Hitler ever invade anywhere again unopposed after 3 invasions contrary to Allies treaties ... Oh and by the way Poland was invaded in September 1939. UK army was indeed mobilized but did not engage in combat with German troops. Only after invasion of France in May 1940 and retreat from UK troops in France back to England (miracle of Dunkerque) combat hostilities between UK and Germany started (Batlle of Britain in the air, North Africa campaign, ...).
You state that UK did not have to go to war for Poland and France. Depends on scope of HAVE TO, but there was a defence treaty stating this with Poland and France. Same one as with Czechoslovakia. The idea was to attack Germany from the Westerm front in retaliation of any invasions on the Eastern front, obviously not to stand in front of the German/Czech border.
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Fri Jan 28th 10:27 2005 / #425 |
remember the original article?:)
Prague plans a crackdown on the drunken Britons turning it into Europe's stag night capital
By Monica Petrescu in Prague (Telegraph online)
(Filed: 31/10/2004)
It has become the stag night capital of Europe, attracting thousands of young, mainly British, men looking for cheap beer and sex. But now politicians and tourism officials in Prague are calling for laws to tackle the drunken visitors because they are putting off the more sophisticated holidaymakers.
A report, released last week by the Czech tourism office, revealed that the historic capital of the Czech Republic, famed for its beautiful architecture, is now attracting large gangs of rowdy men looking for a good time.
Police in the city say that 20 per cent of all weekend crime involves British men on stag nights.
MPs and tourism officials have responded by demanding restrictions on the number of strip clubs in the city and legislation that will give police greater powers to deal with drunken tourists.
Jiri Paroubek, the Czech tourism minister, said: "We have people going around handing out flyers in the centre of the town at night, trying to lure people into clubs that have a female service - this is not what we need. The police have to crack down on this kind of club."
Mr Paroubek said that tourism officials were planning an advertising campaign in London that would focus on the culinary experience that Prague could offer. The hope was that it would attract more refined tourists rather than the rowdy crowds.
"Food here is as good as in London. We don't need nightclubs or prostitutes to attract visitors," Mr Paroubek said.
Pavel Bem, the mayor of Prague, agreed that firm action was needed. "What is happening here in Prague is going too far, and it has got so out of control because we do not have the authority to act to stop it," he said.
"We are now demanding laws as a priority that will allow us to bring the red-light business under control."
His spokesman, Rudolf Blazek, added that legislation to increase the penalties for prostitution would be one measure in the attempt to improve behaviour in the Czech capital. "The maximum fine for prostitution is £20. The women can earn 10 times that in a single night," he said.
A petition of Prague residents was handed in recently at the town hall. Jiri Kopecky, one of the organisers, said that people were fed up with the disorder that the stag parties were bringing to the city. "We are sick and tired of the mostly British tourists who come here to drink, get into fights and visit brothels.
"Prague is a beautiful and romantic city and they are ruining it. We do not need this kind of visitor and the council and government should act."
Local people complain that on weekend nights, drunken hordes of young British guests stagger across the historic Old Town Square, Renaissance and gothic Mala Strana and the relatively more modern Nove Mesto areas of the city, drinking heavily.
Last week's tourism report said that, of the 6.9 million foreign tourists who visit Prague each year, at least 700,000 come for the sex clubs and the cheap beer, which costs as little as 50p a pint. British visitors, of whom there are 500,000 each year, form the largest proportion of such "beer and sex" tourists, the report found.
A separate study by Morgan Stanley, the investment bank, found that after Paris, Prague has become the second most attractive city break destination for British people attracted by the budget airfares and cheap entertainment.
In the centre of Prague on a weekend night, the drunk chanting of English Premiership football club songs often drowns out the voices of tour guides explaining the history of stunning baroque palaces, or pointing out the inspirations for Franz Kafka's literary masterpieces.
Strip clubs on St Wenceslas Square, where massive demonstrations in 1989 marked the beginning of the end for the communist regime in Czechoslovakia, have become magnets for young Britons.
Employees hustle drunken young men into places such as Club K5 - a venue boasting an "oasis of entertainment and relaxation directly in the centre of the Golden City" and which has special "theme rooms" catering to "Roman", "oriental", "knight" and "nobleman" tastes.
Some British tourists in Prague last week supported the crackdown. Rita Rose, 52, from Torquay, who has been coming to Prague for holidays since 1989, said: "I don't approve of lots of Brits coming over here and getting drunk. I was here first just after the Velvet Revolution, but now more and more people are coming here. It is cheap and of course there are all the beautiful women around."
Gill Powell, 39, from Birmingham, said: "I saw lots of Brits on the plane coming over for stag nights. I doubt if people here like it much when Brits come over here and drink too much."
Other Britons acknowledged that they were in Prague to party, rather than to experience the city's history and culture.
Neil Wilson, 39, from Newcastle, said that he had come to Prague for a friend's birthday and had no interest in sightseeing.
"We've come for a weekend to get drunk. It's not really a culture visit. We chose Prague because it was at the end of an EasyJet route. We've come for drinking and good food," he said.
Rick Monkhouse, 21, from London, said that he had also come to Prague to celebrate a friend's birthday and had no interest in the city itself.
"We've come here for the drinking - what else do you do on a birthday? What we want to see here are strippers," he said.
Martin Kvapil, 29, a Czech who lives and works in Prague, said, however, that he believed some of his countrymen's concerns were misplaced.
"I know the British and I think they have an excellent way of enjoying themselves and I think Czech men should try to do the same. I think them coming here is good for the Czech economy and everyone knows it." |
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Fri Jan 28th 12:29 2005 / #426 |
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yeeeeaa what's your point? we read the damn thing already |
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Fri Jan 28th 12:51 2005 / #427 |
Saint Juste,
Another brash swipe at England as I was just getting to understand you too.
Your quote as you may understand come from a politician. Furthermore, Conservative a politician. A politician that is not in power. If you listen to what we in England call 'spin' this is your prerogative.
You Czech seem to adore the sensationalist element to news. It grieves me that they print any old shit in the Guardian these days. Perhaps I could recommend the Sunday Sport, the Sun etc…
Let me help you understand this story. English children have the option of dropping History two years before leaving. History is a subject that must be dropped to take other subjects as we have a very wide syllabus. It is essentially not possible to do exams in all of the subjects so options must be taken.
I do not want to sound controversial. However, GCSE history doesn't greatly assist your competitiveness in the job market in Uk today in 2005.
Our children are choosing career focused alternatives. This is not a reflection on our desire to learn about history. It is a sacrifice our children make to become part of our workforce and earn an honest living. I would remind you that we are among the world leader in many trade sectors and have a very strong economy, currency and standard of life as a result.
Another slightly amusing point is that our Children have the option to leave school at 17. Your children have the option to leave school at 15. Therefore, while some of our children choose not to take history, some of your children choose to... erm not learn about anything!
I would suggest this option coupled with many other factors contributes to the EU mentioning that the Czech Republic suffers from high levels of poverty, illiteracy, and unemployment.
I am not happy with this but you push me to mention. I put the tragic situation that while some of your population are sat in squalor unable to read with no job at least they can understand perfectly how they got there.
Poignant.
You won the lottery getting in the EU. You where nearly declined membership for your treatment of a certain group of people even today (I will not mention who this is as you know and are embarrassed enough about it). Anyway welcome aboard I’m sure you will do very well out of this membership.
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Fri Jan 28th 13:28 2005 / #428 |
" You where nearly declined membership for your treatment of a certain group of people even today ..."
1963 - De Gaulle vetoes UK membership of EC
1967 - De Gaulle vetoes UK membership of EC , again!
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Fri Jan 28th 13:34 2005 / #429 |
they tend to be chubby, fairly ordinary looking and have square jaws like men"
no I definently did Mean czech women. Thats not cause to be offensive. You all feel you ahve the right to air youre opinions on the English..dont like it when we air ours on you? strange. Perhaps people in glass houses, or with ugly women folk..shouldnt throw stones ..:P |
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I mean I'll let you in on a secret they don.t come to the Czech brothels because the women are classy..they come because theyre cheap..its 'what we call a 'dirty weekend'....club k5 75 quid for the works. you cant get the ugliest girl in england for that.....but there no lookers..ive looked on the k5 website and the girls DO look like men, unfemine....english girls are far prettier and more refined.... .sorry but Czech women arnt sex godesses to us...just a quick fumble with a back alley sally...before lives of wedded bliss to our English pincesses and their unmatched beauty. |
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Fri Jan 28th 13:46 2005 / #431 |
" You where nearly declined membership for your treatment of a certain group of people even today ..."
1963 - De Gaulle vetoes UK membership of EC
1967 - De Gaulle vetoes UK membership of EC , again!
Remember this?
At least the CR got accepted first time.
Thats coz the french are a bunch oif inbred ignorant, uncultured gauls..half caveman european stocked mongrolised by ginerhaired celts...the whipping boys of everyone else in Europe. they are the most patheitc weak spinless unbackboned people on the planet. There is no other nation which is frankly as much human garbage rolled into genes as the French. So OF COURSE they dont want England in a union with them....the country which beat 250,000 of their men with just 10,000 of ours in less then 24 hours.....the country that from 1066-1558 owned and ruled most of their pathetic country as supremem superior overlords. We only lost it because outr King Henry VI went mad from infected blood he inherited from his French mother whos own inbred family had a long history of mental illness. just goes to show French blood is weak poison when mixed with strong english strain..like pouring piss and vinegar into the finest wine.
Well anyway thanks for that info i didnt have any idea wanker de gaulle had acted so despicably to the country that saved his arse from being a german boys bitch..still dont know why im suprised..liberate their country twice for em..but do they give a f_ck..course not theyre inbred stone age people..small brains..loyatly gallantness and honour are niehter in their blood brains or miniscule intellect. |
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Fri Jan 28th 14:02 2005 / #432 |
"Hitler troops invaded Alsace and annexed before invading Czechoslovakia.
No reaction then either. So to state that UK was determined not to let Hitler ever invade anywhere again unopposed after 3 invasions contrary to Allies treaties ... Oh and by the way Poland was invaded in September 1939. UK army was indeed mobilized but did not engage in combat with German troops. Only after invasion of France in May 1940 and retreat from UK troops in France back to England (miracle of Dunkerque) combat hostilities between UK and Germany started (Batlle of Britain in the air, North Africa campaign, ...)."
Sainte Juste what followed the delcaration of war in 1939 was a period of inaction, largely because if youd ever botherd to look at a map, poland is innacessable to Britian unless we invade germany from the west, through france, impossible, or we send troops on boats into the baltic sea..again an impossibility as Hitler had the area full of u boats prepared for this eventuality. A few Naval skirmishes did occure never the less. Even this however wasnt the main reason, the main reason was the Nazi soviet pack which had totally shocked europe and turned the balance of power in Estern Europe towards Hitler, wher he know sttod totally tactically unbeatable, a maneouver given the ideological opposition of communism and nazism, nobody saw coming, everyone was utterly breathtaken by, and made all previous military plans useless over night. We simply could not get to poland and save her. it would have ben suicide and would have handed europe on a plate to hitler. wwii finished in a day flat. Hitler 1 allies 0. Id like to point out it is our ability to think intelligently and tactically like this, with foresight, which allowed us unlike all over europeans to actually defeat Hitler..rather than being conquered by him! so youre criticism is rather hollow...unlessy you secretly wish you were wearing lederhosen seeing in the millenium in the glorious thousand year reich?
As for no action being taken over the rhineland, Austria and Sudetenland, this wanst because we didnt care or was too scared it was simply because people didnt appreciate the full horror Nazi Germany implied. In Britian Hitler was seen just as a nationalist trying to restore his countries pride and reunite German speaking people in one land. The right for national self determination for ethnic peoples was one of the corner stones of wooddrow wilsons 20 points at versailles for a new peaceful europe...and it stuck in many people throat the Germans were the only ones denied this. Many English were sympathetic to Hitler reuniting Gemran lands. however the moment he annexed czech lands proper in may 39 was the moment the full reality of Hitlers foreign ambitions became clear, and from that point on our attitude changes in to one of zero tolerence. |
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Fri Jan 28th 14:03 2005 / #433 |
yea that twisted logic makes a lot of sense. let's see if i have this right-
so before british guys are going to marry their ideal british "princess", they first prefer to go shag some cheap dull whore who happens to be square jawed and manly.
ssuuuuuure. hey if i was married to an english lady i too would probably be in this distant state of denial. whatever helps you sleep at night friend. |
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Its a ritual...youre last night of freedom. Goes back to warrior knights and the days of heroes and chivalry, proud gods and their virile lions. So not something youde understand ...however trust me we never used to go to prague for this. but one thing changed that my freind...easyjet, coincided with youre cheap beer and cheap women, winning combination. It doesnt matter if there ugly as sin when they do the works for 75 quid now does it. If you truly think we prefer youre long lost relatives if the elephant man to our own beauties...try this little experiment...put the prices in the brothels up...and the beer...and see how many brits bother coming for the ahem 'beautiful' women...pmsl... |
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the girls in k5 are PROPER proper ugly if you dont believe me check them out on the website. and apparantly that is the best in Prague...so hey what can i say...dont mean to be offensive...just being as brutally 'honest' as you have been with us. |
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Fri Jan 28th 17:58 2005 / #438 |
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If anybody out there thinks that the prostitutes in Prague brothles are Czech they should check again. When was the last time you were served in a London McDonalds by a true blue Cockney. Ignorance is bliss. |
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Fri Jan 28th 18:07 2005 / #439 |
Saint Juste,
This is true in the most part. I understand your point.
Out of interest are Mc Donalds staff in Praha Czeck?
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Fri Jan 28th 19:21 2005 / #440 |
"Out of interest are Mc Donalds staff in Praha Czeck?"
Czech
Write it 500 times! ;-) |
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Some are Slovak. |
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I was well aware of that these brothels let you know on there websites anyway which girls are 'native' czech and which are eastern european/Russo-Ukranian. Not that I need to be told you can tell anyway, the czech ones are usually the dark or brown haired ones, shorter fatter, dumpy, big bums and square man like jaws. The Russian and Ukranian girls, are usually taller blonder with slightly more slavic mongoloid eyes (like kournikova and yeltsin)...and that stern ice maiden look. Eat you alive. Not exactly pretty either..lol...think all in all i prefer the English to both. English swedish spanish and italians are the best looking girls in Europe...rest all fell out the ugly tree. |
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Sat Jan 29th 06:23 2005 / #443 |
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*sniff* what's that shitty smell? |
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Sat Jan 29th 08:13 2005 / #444 |
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probably you're missus. |
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Sat Jan 29th 08:23 2005 / #445 |
"you're missus"?
you're is a contraction of you and are |
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Sat Jan 29th 09:20 2005 / #446 |
I'm glad to see you're proficient in ENGLISH. The superior language of the superior people. Well done. good boy.
Now off to bath 'youre' smelly missus. :P |
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Sat Jan 29th 10:35 2005 / #447 |
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wrong again i'm gay |
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Sat Jan 29th 11:06 2005 / #448 |
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ok off to bath youre smelly male/female life partner. Please delet where aplicable. |
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Sat Jan 29th 11:09 2005 / #449 |
don't you mean "bathe"?
thank god this thread's taking so long to load most people won't even be bothering any more... |
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Sat Jan 29th 12:54 2005 / #450 |
Hitler was a man who talked to churchill, and then reagan tried to reinvent the notion of democracy. thankfully the lions head of eternity has its shortcoming, and thats is right there in revelations, read it, we can all come to prague for fun sex with women of pickled flavor, so don't lose your square jaw, and watch out in hungary the women their will steal your purse and rub up onto you in the train, we as wenglish are the superior race, and as americans we can say what we want to, all you czechs can just forget that the pizza is in the oven. yeah that's right, the pizza is in the oven. take that in your flattened pumhh and deliver it.
"all men are created like a pizza in heat"
W. Churchill
www.wankers.com
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Sun Jan 30th 00:11 2005 / #451 |
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This could remain a great thread. It just needs a slight pruning ... |
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Sun Jan 30th 08:21 2005 / #452 |
Bath..bathe..it can be spelt either way. god thid is turning into an english lesson....zzzz how boring.
look everyone knows the English are the greatest people on the planet. All criticism is latent jealous and only worty of being ignored anyway. If the mouse criticises the lion..does the lion go back to his cave and cry? lol..of course not. the cricism will hurt when it comes from the mouth of another lion..until then carry on squeaking boys...lol...wheres that cheese. |
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Sun Jan 30th 08:24 2005 / #453 |
p.s
As far as I'm aware Hitler and churchill had no direct contact and never met.
take youre pills churchill. |
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Sun Jan 30th 20:58 2005 / #454 |
The Brits strike again...
Police break gang shooting children porno films -- TV
PRAGUE- The organised crime police unit in Hradec Kralove, east Bohemia, has broken a gang, which was allegedly shooting children pornography in a villa called Mirov in Kostelec nad Orlici, east Bohemia, on Thursday, Nova TV reported.
Police detained the gang of four men in the villa, a former children's youth camp. One of the men was released after interrogation. The gang's head is a British citizen, Nova informed.
A German citizen, who was allegedly responsible for the film's purchases abroad, was detained in Prague at the same time. Police have not released further information on the case yet, Nova said. |
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Sun Jan 30th 23:56 2005 / #455 |
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oh just fuck off you prat. paedophiles come from everywhere. Thats a low low shot/ what an utter prick you are. youre probably a kiddy fiddler yourself. thank god im not you. turd. |
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Mon Jan 31st 09:34 2005 / #456 |
The gang's head is a British citizen... allegedly shooting children pornography in a villa called Mirov in Kostelec nad Orlici, east Bohemia...
Undoubtedly a graduate of your highly refined English boarding school system. |
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Mon Jan 31st 16:01 2005 / #457 |
#427
"I would suggest this option coupled with many other factors contributes to the EU mentioning that the Czech Republic suffers from high levels of poverty, illiteracy, and unemployment."
Facts are stupid things.
Fact#1
Teenage pregancy # per 1000 women age 15-19
UK = 46,9
Czech Republic = 32,4
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Mon Jan 31st 16:05 2005 / #458 |
Fact#2
Rate of unemployment 2005
London= 8,9 percent
Praha = 4,3 percent |
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Mon Jan 31st 16:10 2005 / #459 |
SOURCE United Nations Population Division, World Population Prospects: The 1994 Revision, 1994.
Teenage pregancy # per 1000 women age 15-19
UK = 33
Czech Republic = 46
St Juste, whats your source? |
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Mon Jan 31st 16:30 2005 / #460 |
according to this years New York Times world almanac only 2 countries in the world have a percentage of atheists (big enough to make up a part of the religion pie)
slavakia- 4%
Czech Republic- 72%
that little fact still amazes me. god damn i love the Czech people! |
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Mon Jan 31st 16:33 2005 / #461 |
or maybe slavakia had like 8 or 9%
oh well i just remember having to read the tidbit about Czech Republic's religious division over because I couldn't believe it. i knew something about this country feels like heaven. |
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Mon Jan 31st 16:42 2005 / #462 |
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ah so there all anti-god devil worshippers..no wonder they trn there country into a peadophiles paradise. makes sense. and they criticse the English...nerve. |
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Mon Jan 31st 16:45 2005 / #463 |
Lets be honest this thread is way off topic now. The truth is Prague has turned ITSELF into the biggest drink and prostitution capital in Europe no one else. They alone did it they alone have the power to stop it. Trying to negate themselves of responsibility by blaming the consumers is like a publican opening an INN and then complaining when people get drunk.
cmon Prague stop blaming the English and sort yourself out. close the brothels, put the beer up and the people coming for that will stop. simple isnt it. |
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Mon Jan 31st 16:46 2005 / #464 |
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no i meant the other way around, all I ever here of is priests that are raping young boys these days. |
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Mon Jan 31st 16:48 2005 / #465 |
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no prague doesn't need to close the brothels or put the beer up so fuck off |
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Mon Jan 31st 20:23 2005 / #466 |
#459 St Juste, whats your source?
Family Planning Perspectives volume 32 no 1 Jan/Feb 2000
Your numbers date from 1994, probably correct.
Mine date from 1999, show interesting evolution: exactly reverse of 1994.
By the way the number of the USA is a staggering 83,9.
Just say no, I guess.
Best of all ? Belgium with 14,1. |
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Mon Jan 31st 20:34 2005 / #467 |
The new Jeruzalem ?
Your honor, I rest my case.
Thats you that is.
Goodnight.
Miles to go before I sleep.
http://www.centreforcitizenship.org/ukimage.html
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The United States and the United Kingdom
A different kingdom
Violence: As English As Tea and Crumpets 1
England & Wales Top UN Crime League
A United Nations report published in November 2002 says that crime levels in England and Wales are amongst the highest in the developed nations, exceeding those in the USA, Germany and Russia.
Violence: As English As Tea and Crumpets 2
" London has become like New York at its worst, say police"
In a pub in the south London suburb of Croydon on Saturday evening ". . . two men picked out their targets . . . shot one in the head and the other in the chest and stabbed a third man. . . . The attack happened the day after a chase through Wandsworth (south London) in which gunmen in an Audi sprayed a Ford Mondeo with bullets from a Uzi submachine gun. . . . That came after a series of violent carjackings executed with increasing ferocity. . . . Street crime in London has grown by 55 percent in the 12 months to November last year. . . . Londoners are now six times more likely to be robbed or attacked than New Yorkers. "
Independent, February 2002
Violence: As English As Tea and Crumpets 3
"Britain's city centres are descending into alcohol-fuelled battlegrounds where police are almost invisible. . . . The hooliganism of hundreds of English football fans who ran amok at last month's Euro 2000 championships is part of a wider cultural problem."
"Barely 100 thugs took part in a clash (in a usually quite Birmingham street) that involved flares, petrol bombs, bricks and pieces of wood - and left one man in a coma and another with a fractured skull."
"One Saturday night . . . a passenger ferry making its 10.30 crossing of the River Tyne disgorged a large mob of hooligans on to the quayside at North Shields, where they fought a pitched battle with a rival gang."
Newspaper accounts of two of the frequent confrontations between English soccer supporters whose pastime is vicious brawling with like-minded fans.
Violence: As English As Tea and Crumpets 4
You are more likely to be mugged, assaulted or be the victim of a burglary or vehicle theft in England than in the USA. That is one of the findings of a US Justice Department study of crime in the two countries since 1981. And while murder and rape are still more common in the USA, the Home Office has reported that violent crime in Britain increased in 1997.
These figures will not come as much of a surprise to those who know the two countries. Britain is notorious for the violence that has long been associated with soccer matches. At weekends towns throughout the land are the scene of wanton violence by drunken young men after a night in the pubs and clubs. Police forces report that they have insufficient officers to control these weekly disorders. The site of groups of police patrolling in "carriers" with steel guards ready to protect the windscreen from missiles, is so much a part of the British scene that it goes without comment.
Despite these facts the belief is still strong that Britain's attachment to tradition protects it against the violence that is believed to permeate American life. A recent writer to a British newspaper averred that he might avoid the higher prices for most consumer goods that are charged in Britain by shopping on the Continent. But not in America, lest he be mugged. Now he knows: he more likely to be robbed or beaten in the street in England's green and pleasant kingdom than in the American republic.
Violence: As English As Tea and Crumpets 5
Children in Britain are more likely than those in continental Europe to fight in the street, steal from shops, damage property and use cannabis, according to a report made to the British Royal College of Psychiatrists in April 1999. The report is based on study in Germany, the Netherlands, Italy and Ireland, as well as Britain. Only in Ireland were the young people as bad as the British.
The report by psychologist Aoife Brinkley reports that 33 percent of children in Newcastle say they have fought in the street or sprayed graffiti. She concludes that British and Irish children take themselves less seriously and have weaker aspirations than those on the continent.
Violence: As English As Tea and Crumpets 6
Britain's reputation for law and order has took another blow in February 2001 with the publication of new international crime comparisons. England and Wales were revealed as having the highest overall level of crime in the industrial world. In crimes of violence, sex offences, burglary and auto theft the two nations were near but not at the top.
Seventeen countries took part in the International Crime Victims Survey, which was part-sponsored by the British government. While England and Wales tied with Australia for the top spot, crime in Scotland was just above the international average. England and Wales had the highest number of crimes considered to be "very serious.". In robbery and sexual and other assaults, England, Wales and Scotland followed behind the most crime ridden nation, Australia.
Violence: As English As Tea and Crumpets 7
Home Office statistics published in June 2001 suggested that violent crime was increasing as much in Britain as in South Africa. Only Portugal had a higher rate of increase. There was an increase of 16 percent on the previous year. Such crimes rose by only 5 percent in Russia. In the USA they fell by 7 percent.
Violence: As English As Tea and Crumpets 8
"On the bloody front line of London’s gang wars, doctors go to Soweto for training in gun wounds."
Headline to report on the secondment of Homerton Hospital’s Dr. Donal Shanahan to learn from the trauma team at Baragwanath Hospital, Soweto, South Africa. Homerton Hospital serves Murder Mile in Hackney, London.
Dr. Shanahan told TheTelegraph that "If you study the hard facts, Soweto is statistically rather safer than east London." He said that he had not been shocked by what he had witnessed in the South African town. He had seen "this kind of violence and these kinds of injuries many times before in London."
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"Scores of officers and police horses were injured in one of the worst nights of football violence in recent year. . . . Gangs of several hundred young men had gathered in pubs and on street corners" . . . they pelted police officers with "bricks, concrete slabs and flares, which police believe were stockpiled in parked cars as part of a planned attack . . . .. Residents of the Bonhomie estate . . . emerged from their homes yesterday morning to find their cars vandalised and the local playground reduced to rubble."
Press report May 2002
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Homicide: Life in the Green & Pleasant Land 1
"In the latest incident, on Monday night, a 20-year old man was shot dead in the street in Harlesden, north-west London, by two men. On Sunday night, a gun battle outside a pub in Hoxton, north-east London, injured two people. Police called to investigate the shooting found nine cars with bullet holes in them. An abandoned Mazda was riddled with bullets and splashed with blood. Later on Sunday night, a 21-year man was hot in the back and killed at a night-club in Windsor, Berkshire. Two days earlier, a 23-year old man was shot several times as he sat in his car in Brixton, south London, following the funeral of a prominent gangster."
"The killings are believed to be the result of feuds over drugs - mostly crack cocaine - and territorial control."
The Independent, 7 July 1999.
Homicide: Life in the Green & Pleasant Land 2
"The designer weapon of choice is the 1,000-round-a-minute, Ingram Mac10 . . . Residents live in fear of their lives. They cannot drive too fast or too slow or wear their hoods up in the rain, lest nervous, trigger-happy neighbourhood boys mistake them for the enemy . . . The new breed of gangsters . . . know that the only way to get respect is to pull a gun at the drop of a hat . . . today they shoot only to kill."
Chicago's South Side? Washington SE? No. This is the Longsight district of Manchester, England. August 1998. As reported in the Independent.
In Rochdale, Lancashire in April 1999 five bystanders were hit by bullets fired from a car being pursued by police. At the end of the chase, which reached 90 mph, the police took an AK-47 assault rifle and a handgun from the shooter's car. The incident was widely reported in the news media. However, journalists in general did not find in it any lessons about the British way of life, although serious crime in the USA is almost always portrayed as a result of a deeply flawed society.
Homicide: Life in the Green & Pleasant Land 3
"The police now believe that (Solly) Nahome was killed as the opening shot in a gangland war to unseat the Adams family. The family run their drugs empire with a rule of terror. They are said to have ordered as many as 23 gangland hits. For 10 years they looked untouchable."
The Independent reporting in December 1998 on the murder in London of Solly Nahome, jeweller and alleged financial fixer for a north London crime family.
In April 1999 the Independent newspaper reported that there were about 30 hits in Britain each year by contract killers. It estimated that 20 "professional" killers operated in the country. Although possession of hand guns is illegal they may easily be bought for £250, the newspaper said.
Homicide: Life in the Green & Pleasant Land 4
In May 2000 the Metropolitan Police announced a 12.5 percent increase in the number of offences in London. Massive increases in muggings, murder, violence and rape were announced. In the twelve months to April there were an additional 118,000 offences in the capital. Street crime was up by 36 percent. There were 39 more homicides than in the previous year.
Homicide: Life in the Green & Pleasant Land 5
In June 2000 the Independent newspaper reported that in a small area of Hackney, north London, in a 3 month period there had been 2 gang killings, 1 unsuccessful hit, a knife killing and a filling station gun attack by a customer whose stolen credit card had been seized. Witnesses were said to be afraid to speak to the police. One commented that "around here it's like the Bronx."
Homicide: Life in the Green & Pleasant Land 6
In the narrow street (in Peckham, South London) the bullets pumped into eight victims, leaving them screaming on the ground. Others fled from the bright flash of the automatic weapon . . . . a group of revellers had been queuing to get into a packed all night party at the Chicago nightclub . . . " There is always someone on the corner selling drugs . You name it, you can buy it around here" local Tony Kempson told the reporter.
The Independent, 1 August 2000
Homicide: Life in the Green & Pleasant Land 7
In January 2001 the Independentreported that police patrols responding to a call to Essentials night-club in south London stopped a number of clubbers wearing body armour. Officers also found seven abandoned handguns in and around the club.
Crime involving the use of guns has not been as high since the early nineties. In 2000 there were 4000 recorded incidents of criminal use of handguns.
Note. Ownership of handguns by British subjects was made illegal in 1997. Handguns were confiscated from those who owned licensed weapons for target shooting.
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British Narcotics 1.
"On Ocean estate (in east London), no one except the drug gangs goes out after sundown." Newspaper headline in 2000 to a report on the government 's "new deal" aid for deprived neighbourhoods. The paper quoted one "well-built, fairly fit looking 39-year old" resident of the public housing who was afraid to go out after dark.
British Narcotics 2.
A higher proportion of the population use illegal drugs in Britain than in any other country of the 15-member European Union. According to the 1998 Report on the State of the Drugs Problem in the European Union by the European Commission, the highest use of cannabis, "ecstasy," amphetamines and solvents was in Britain, over 35% of those aged 15-16 having used one or more of those substances. Twenty percent of the same age group had sniffed solvents.
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The Special Relationship.
A poll by The Guardian in February 1998 produced some disappointment for anti-Americans. Two-thirds of those polled rejected the idea that the US was domineering in its relationship with the UK. Sixty-one percent said that this country had more in common with the USA than with the rest of Europe. A clear majority agreed that the UK should give unconditional support to the US strategy against Saddam Hussein. Only in respect of the support given by the British Prime Minister to Bill Clinton in the Monica Lewinsky affair did a majority believe that Britain was being too friendly.
Talking About the Millennial Generation.
"The Millennial Generation appear to have moved close to the kinds of aspirations thought to typify their American counterparts, rather than towards an attitude more representative of the European approach."
From a report on a survey of 648 young British people in September 1998 by the Mori polling organisation and the Adam Smith Institute.
Character Counts Less.
The results of Louis Harris and Associates polls conducted in Britain, Japan and the US and published in 1999, suggest that two-thirds of Britons believe that the party affiliation of their representatives is more important than good character. However, three-quarters of Americans polled and six out of ten Japanese give greater weight to character.
The British Way of Death.
According to British Medical Association figures published in 1999 Britain is near the bottom of the European table for childhood deaths and closer to the USA than to Sweden or Finland. With seven deaths under age 5 for every thousand births it is behind Slovenia. Only Albania has as great a proportion of under-weight babies as the UK. This is linked to serious medical problems in later life for those who do survive. The report also highlighted a growing gap between the health of rich and poor in Britain.
Shakespeare's Land
Britain is behind the United States in the number of people reading at least one book a month and has a level of illiteracy similar to America's according to a report by the Organisation for Economic Co-operation & Development. Nearly half of British adults are not literate enough to manage routine tasks, said the OECD. However, in hours spent watching television Britain, with its two tax payer funded channels, was top of the international league.
Oxford Blues.
Yale and Harvard universities have left the ancient British institutions of Oxford and Cambridge standing in the dust, according to eminent British academic David Cannadine. In a lecture during April 1999 at the Institute of Historical Studies in London, which he heads, Professor Cannadine declared that British universities do not provide "an environment in which serious or sustained or original or wide-ranging creative labour can be carried on."
Professor Cannadine has recently returned to Britain after ten years at Columbia University in New York. In scathing criticism of British higher education he told his listeners, according to the Independent newspaper, that American academic historians are more confident, creative and imaginative than those in the Britain. Oxford and Cambridge univesities, long considered by many in Britain as the best in the world, are no longer even world class, Professor Cannadine said.
A Lighter Note.
World Health Organisation figures showing the United Kingdom to be the third fattest nation gave Britons a jolt in 1998. The UK was revealed to be only a few percentage points behind the US in the proportion of over-weight citizens. The delight that many Britons take from the belief that they are superior to Americans when it comes to over-eating may never again be possible.
By 1999 the Human Nutrition Research Centre in Cambridge reported that obesity was increasing in Britain at the same rate as in the USA. The number of overweight Britons had doubled in the previous ten years, to more than 50 percent of the population. Almost twenty percent of the British people are classified as obese.
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Mon Jan 31st 20:47 2005 / #468 |
no prague doesn't need to close the brothels or put the beer up so fuck off
fair enough..but then it needs to stop moaning about people getting pissed and shagging hookers. |
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Mon Jan 31st 20:51 2005 / #469 |
Danton. bloody long post but you make some valid points. England isnt perfect. actually let me correct that. we largely are. but its true we have the odd shithole like harlesdon and hoxton 99% ethnic..ie the people that live there arnt English. The majority of these people killing eachother are Jamaiacan yardies, though Est Europe is blessing us with its 'culture' by sending us plenty of alanian pimps and russian gangsters to add to the fun..thanks guys.
We will build jerusalem in our green and pleasant land..once we put up the trap gate and stop letting the world and its shit in to infect us. |
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Mon Jan 31st 20:56 2005 / #470 |
Character Counts Less.
The results of Louis Harris and Associates polls conducted in Britain, Japan and the US and published in 1999, suggest that two-thirds of Britons believe that the party affiliation of their representatives is more important than good character. However, three-quarters of Americans polled and six out of ten Japanese give greater weight to character.
AS FOR THAT YES WE DO VOTE FOR THE POLITICAL IDEOLOGIES WE BELIEVE IN RATHER THAN BEING DAZZLED BY SOME DUMB PRETTY BOY WITH NICE TEETH LIKE THE YANKS OR DUMBSTRUCK INTO VOTING IN SOME 'CHARASMATIC' DEMOGOGUE LIKE ADOLF INTO POWER WHO THEN PROCEEEDS TO START PUTTING BABIES IN OVENS BY THE TRUCK LOAD. IS THAT WORN THEN? WHOULD WE BE LIKE YOU TWATS IN EUROPE. ..LOL..FUCKIN FOOLS. |
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Mon Jan 31st 21:02 2005 / #471 |
"The Millennial Generation appear to have moved close to the kinds of aspirations thought to typify their American counterparts, rather than towards an attitude more representative of the European approach."
THE EUROPEAN APPROACH? you mean bending over and getting f*cked in tha ass regularly by germans? you mean sitting on our fat lazy asses moaning about the world but doing sod all to change it? you mean shagging fut ugly women who dont shave their armpits?..just what does it mean to be European?..and just why should Britain, a country that conquered half the world civilising it gave two thirds of the world our language, saved youre weakling asses in two world wars...and has given the world the greatest artists, of music and litrerature of modern times, the fith richest nation in world, with the strongest economay in Europe,....just why should WE be aspiring to be like you....people with a history of achieveing well...nothing?!?!?....remind me please. |
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Mon Jan 31st 22:04 2005 / #472 |
A little reminder of world rankings
Source: CIA World Factbook, OECD
GDP Purchasing Power Parity
UK nr. 7 behind France and Germany
GDP growth 1998 - 2002
UK nr. 13 in Europe behind France, Greece, Poland, Ireland, ...
Spending on rese??rch and development
UK nr. 10 in Europe behind the usual France, Germany, ...
Inequality of income among families
UK nr. 3 up there with Moldova and Estonia with higest inequality
Czech Republic among lowest inequality with Denmark, Sweden, ...
Average years of schooling
UK nr. 16 behind a.o. Germany, Poland, ...
Adults with a least moderate level of literacy
UK nr. 12 behind a.o. United States, Germany, and ... CZECH REPUBLIC
Spending per student secondary education
UK nr. 17 behind Germany, France, Italy, ...
Alcohol consumption
UK nr. 12 behind Germany, France, Czech Republic, hell even Switzerland
Infant mortality rate
UK 5,45 per thousand
Czech 5,46 per thousand
Obesity
UK 22 percent
Czech Republic 14,8 percent
Ad aeternem |
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Tue Feb 1st 01:10 2005 / #473 |
Wow, you have all been busy the last few days!!
I have been in Ljubljana, Slovenia for a long weekend. It was beautiful. The people there where fantastic. Aside from the cultural richness and natural beauty the people are simply the jewel in the crown.
The Slovenian girl I sat next to on the plane had her brother drive me to my hostel. I lost my wallet in a club and it was handed in by a Bosnian lad. Could you really see this level of honesty and friendliness happening in Prague? You fucking know it.
It surprised me that it was half the price of 'rip off' Prague and obviously has its problems economically, yet the people do not walk around with massive chips on their shoulder like the world is caving in on them and it is your fault. They carry on with life with a smile and a national charm I am inspired by, unlike 'some' other peoples who are in a better position than them economically.
More importantly, there is not sex pushed on your face on every street corner. There are no street whores crawling the city centre like rats. I was not ripped off by the cab drivers that smell like a fat girls crack. I was not offered whores by scum of the earth, pimp, skoda steering, cancer sucking, piss fragranced, cab drivers. I was not offered drugs every ten yards by a sweat riddled twat in a dirty leather coat trying to make 200kc to buy his baby another hit. I was not offered sex for money by girls in clubs. I was not offered violence by short tempered business owners who try and fuck you over for what equates 5kc like crack addicts.
You could learn a lot from this place Prague. You have made your 'Great' Capital a sewer so you attract the rats. You can dig your way out of it all the way through this thread but it is the bed that you made so fucking lie in it.
You are right. English people who go to Prague are fucking mugs. Slovenia is everything you could be minus a bit of tortured architecture. I will go to Prague again when you sort that fucking aids nest of a city out.
I won't be slumming it in Prague this summer. I am going where the sun shines the people are happy, the beer really is cheap.
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Tue Feb 1st 07:32 2005 / #474 |
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fuck off, nobody wants to hear you slop |
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Tue Feb 1st 08:23 2005 / #475 |
Well I actually with Christian on this one.
Plus add proximity to the sea as a plus for Slovenia.
The sea, the sea !!!
Shame the beer is crap there.
On the plus side no English stag parties yet. |
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Tue Feb 1st 09:35 2005 / #476 |
BUT WHO WON THE WAR ROBESPIERRE?....TWICE..LOL ENGLAND AND AMERICA THE ANGLO SAXON NATIONS.
WHO BEAT NAPOLEON AT WATERLOO? BLUCHER AND WELLINGTON. GERMAN AND ENGLISH. THE ANGLO SAXON NATIONS
WHAT YOU WON LATELY......EUROVISION?
PISSING MYSELF LAUGHING
you European losers should stop being so bitter, stop criticising England and try being a bit more like us!!!
fat chance. can a mouse turn into a lion? |
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Tue Feb 1st 09:38 2005 / #477 |
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Are there gypsy pickpockets in slovenia Christian? Prague is full of them, and the police take a cut. Place is an utter shit hole IMHO. They should be thankful anyone bothers coming at all. |
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Tue Feb 1st 11:47 2005 / #478 |
Saint Juste,
Where are you from? They have a beer called Lasko, you can buy dark or light. It is very nice. Smoother than Budvar but it is in a tight battle with Pilsner.
You are right there are no stag parties. They do not have the commodities that attract this sort of reveller as mentioned.
Annon 474,
Heheheh
Anon 477,
I never seen any. I seen one beggar that was it. This is a very developed country. It is one of Europe's best secrets. Don't tell anyone shhhhhhhhh!
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Tue Feb 1st 11:49 2005 / #479 |
#476
WOI
French and Belgian army were on the front line battles together with the Tommies and the Yanks (from 1917) from 1914 till 1917. Check your map: Verdun, Ypres, ...
WOII
Was Russia a Anglo Saxon nation too ? Not last time I checked.
Eurovision
No usually the Irish win. Those pesky Celtic losers.
Bitter
Maybe you did not notice yet, but most comments from us European losers on this thread are made tongue in cheek. Strange how even some small suggestion that UK is not/was not always the Land of Hope and Glory works as a red lap on a bull.
Mouse/Lion
See earlier: WOI = lions led by donkeys. Both lions and donkeys were English. If a history book is too much trouble, check out again Blackadder Goes Forth. Funny and accurate.
#477
Gypsy pickpockets are everywhere. Hell, even in London.
Does not stop visitors coming to either place.
Foreign visitors to UK 2004: 17.000.000
Foreign visitors to CR 2004: 25.000.000 |
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Tue Feb 1st 12:52 2005 / #480 |
Le Directoire,
Too true pick pockets are everywhere. You will find most of them are not born in England. The same goes for drug trafficking and prostitution. Much of this problem is brought here by people who are poor and have little opportunities in England.
Not sure where you get your figures from? Nor the point you are trying to make. I would treat internet research with a pinch of salt.
One thing I would say is that the Czech Republic borders a number of countries so many people pass through as a matter of course. The UK is of course an island so people who come through our borders are specifically to spend time in the UK.
An example for you, land travel is a preferred form of travel with poorer countries so many people would come through Czech by bus to get to other places which will skew statistics.
Not sure what you are saying anyway?
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Tue Feb 1st 13:36 2005 / #481 |
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only time i've ever visited england is on a stopover. don't most people fly these days? |
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Tue Feb 1st 14:29 2005 / #482 |
Anon 481,
"don't most people fly these days?"
Who can afford to yes. EU Members especially. I am talking of the countries in the vicinity of the Czech Republic.
There is not yet budget airlines in Romania, Bulgaria, Ukraine, Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia, Belarus, etc...
Most people here can not afford airtravel to get to central and Northern Europe travel over land.
Many people pass through the Czech Republic and are counted as visitors.
Christian
P.S. When cheap airtravel is launched in to the countries mentioned maybe the stag culture of Prague will die down slightly as I imagine the sex and booze is cheaper there. |
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Wed Feb 2nd 13:30 2005 / #483 |
oh PERLLLLLEASE!!!!! The reason the French were at ypres is because its in France! the franch were invaded by the germans they wernt proud warrior lions who spilt the blood on foregin feilds to save lesser men. lesser UNGREATFUL men.
show me where England has been invaded, and the french came to help? show us where Englands been conquered and the French have come and liberated us.
You Europeans are so dumn bits unbelievable. 1871. Germans march through Paris triumphant. 1914 germans sweep into France, conquering..asses only saved by the brave help of the English. 1940 Hitler marches triumphantly through Paris. England however remains unconquered and crushes Hitler 4 years later..liberating ungreatful French hoard. Most of whom had been collaberating witht heir German overlords.
I really dont know why we bother with Europeans at all. we should become state 51..declare war on you and nuke you into the sea. worthless. |
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Wed Feb 2nd 13:39 2005 / #484 |
Its a myth the Russians really BEAT the germans. The Germans beat themselves. They foolishly put the plan to invade russia off for a month, why they sorted out the mess the Italians had created in balkans. This was entirely due to Hitlers poor judgement in allying himself to Mussolini and the Italians, a foolish leader and a cowardly army, purely because they shared political ideology. it was a tactical nightmare, and a mistake that ultimately lost them the war. Mussolini invaded greece without telling Hitler. Hitler was furios and had to postpone Barbarossa for a month.
Barbarossa was an excellent plan in which Russia would fall within six months. If theyd stuck to original dates it would have succeeded. Nazi army was far superior to Red army....they swept deep into russia largely unopposed. BUT the one month delay proved crucial. Just at the critical point when Moscow was in site of German troops, Stalin was fleeing , and Russia was about to fall, the harsh Russian winter set in. The German troops, were not used to the cold, poorly equipped to deal with it and simply froze to death many on the spot. The momentum had beeen halted dramatatically and Russia saved at the last second. All because of Hitlers foolishness in delaying the action a month cutting into the russian winter. Like Napoleons troops before them the Nazi army never recovered.....the myth of the unbeatable German army destroyed, mnoral destroyed...and the german army collapsed in on itself.
History lesson over. |
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Wed Feb 2nd 13:46 2005 / #485 |
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The gypsy pickpockets in U.K are mostly Czech, Slovak, Romanian and Kosovan. Our own gypsies don't pickpocket. They mostly repair roofs and driveways. |
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Wed Feb 2nd 14:53 2005 / #486 |
Two words for our European friends 'Enigma Code'. Go and read up on what the greatest minds in the world done for you all I have no time to explain.
Post 485 is right. Jokes aside. I might add never hesitate to put a Kosovan pick pocket on their back. They have not had a good meal in days and it is very easy to spark them out cold.
Another example of the harmony Czech, Slovak, Romanian and Kosovan's bring to England is walking round Underground trains pushing a baby in your face asking for money. What a thing to do to a baby!
You might have a few thousands piss heads through an easyjet fligt so fucking what. Imagine having all the fucking jobless talentless tradeless criminal fucking scum leeching from hardworking people.
Fucking line them up and shoot them CUNTS! |
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Wed Feb 2nd 16:24 2005 / #487 |
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too right! |
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Wed Feb 2nd 16:27 2005 / #488 |
Ypres is in Belgium.
Cant find your way yet to a bookshop to be a map ? |
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Thu Feb 3rd 11:18 2005 / #489 |
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So are you trying to say the Germans didn't invade France? Schleiffen plan? ever heard of that maybe you should read a fucking history book shit for brained smart ass. |
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Thu Feb 3rd 12:53 2005 / #490 |
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The french can eat their pickles with the queen in a way that makes everyone feel inferior to the policies that are just baby america and it gang of badass unions. somebody say licka shot, blam blam, so if you want to see the way that the lizard creeps back into the flu season weather you can understand, yeah, yeah, what, why not? remember the pizza is in the oven, you flattened plumh! |
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Thu Feb 3rd 13:38 2005 / #491 |
In WOI the Germans first invaded Belgium on their way to France, then got stuck on the Verdun front line. Another front line was in hte west of Belgium: ever heard of Flander Fields ? Ypres is part of it.
The level of ignorance is staggering. |
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Thu Feb 3rd 15:39 2005 / #492 |
Saint Juste,
The most important lesson is that this must never happen again. However, it seems this lesson is hard looking to the middle east.
Have you ever thought about joining the army?
Christian |
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Thu Feb 3rd 18:31 2005 / #493 |
Christian
Obligatory conscription. No thinking about it. |
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Thu Feb 3rd 18:46 2005 / #494 |
In WOI the Germans first invaded Belgium on their way to France, then got stuck on the Verdun front line. Another front line was in hte west of Belgium: ever heard of Flander Fields ? Ypres is part of it.
The level of ignorance is staggering.
Sainte Juste youre ignorance is the only thing that staggers me. Youre parents must have dropped you on youre head? Im well aware the schleiffen plan involved invading France via Belgium. It was the violation of belgian neutrality that caused us to enter the war. We were pledged by treaty to protect it. HOWEVER. and this is where your obviously ignorant to the extrmem, the chleiffen plan involved simultaneous invasion in Alsace Lorraine region of France as a diversionary tactic to the main advance. The two German armies north and south were meant to link up in paris from opposite directions. Of course the plan was perfect, the germans knew from 1871 France are usuless subhumans barely able to fight a flea let alone a superior germanic army. Hence the defeat of 250,000 of them by 10,000 English at Agincourt in a day. Englishmen out numbered 25 to 1 laft heartidly as they slaughtered the cavemen gaul nancy boys. then we had our kellogs cornflakes and returned home barely breaking a sweat!!
Anyway the german plan was perfect...but you can imagine how they felt when they heard the brits were coming!! achtung Herman ze var is lost...we can never beat the supreme Englander boys...theire british spunk will crush us...damn damn dman...pig dogs!!! which is of course exactly what happened bless their cotton little nazi socks.
You have to admire the Germans though, even though they occasionaly get a bit too big for their boots and big brother England has to slap them up a bit and put them in their place, they are still infanently better than the wine drinking skirt weaering quasi homosexual latin tossers, who are good for nothing but surrendering...and the barbaric 12 toed ginger haired celtish inbreds that poulate the rest of this continent in little quaint villages full of hills, donkeys and one eyebrowd men falling over drunk on spirits at 12 noon.
At least god wasn't a complete bastard and gave us the english channel to keep us seperate. Amen lord, youre wisdom is indeed great. |
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Thu Feb 3rd 19:04 2005 / #495 |
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http://idisk.mac.com/jenlart/Public/Wardeaddesecrated.jpg |
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Thu Feb 3rd 20:58 2005 / #496 |
Honi soit qui mal y pense.
La reine le veult. |
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Fri Feb 4th 09:16 2005 / #497 |
Sorry but I refuse to speak or read the langauge of capitualtiong sheep bruning, war memeorial desecrating, cowards.
Please speak to me in English or at a push Deutsche. Danke. |
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Fri Feb 4th 12:27 2005 / #498 |
Idiot
Honi soit qui mal y pense is the motto on the highest British order the Most Noble Order of the Garter.
La reine le veult is the official proclamation when a new law is approved by the British Parliament.
Du bist ein idiot, mein Herr. |
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Chicagostyle!
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Fri Feb 4th 12:41 2005 / #499 |
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Pizza? |
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Christian
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Fri Feb 4th 14:37 2005 / #500 |
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500! |
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Fri Feb 4th 21:44 2005 / #501 |
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Who the fuck are you calling an idiot pussy boy. go fuck ya mama. |
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Fri Feb 4th 22:01 2005 / #502 |
Those particular quotes come from Knightly orders. orders such as the templars did operate out of France and speak latin, but even they were Germanic stock. They are not the same cowardly caveman gaul stock that makes up the bulk of the French population then as now. These were warriors like us. The Franks were a germanic tribe and ruled these cavemen as overlords. These were first cousins to Angles and Saxon English. Unfortunately they were never very numerous so were only ever the ruling caste, and have all but died out. However they do still give their name to the country France....before it wqas called Gaul.
Edward III had mixed Germano-Frankish, Germano-Viking and Germano-Anglo saxon heritage and blood, so HE did some times, its sad to say mix his blessed holy germanic English tongue, with the Latin of the Roman empire spoken by his Frankish forefathers as displayed above... (though not the rambling celtic of the gauls or the cavemen grunts of the basques). Don't kid yourself there was ever a drop of poison French blood in his vains though. You only have to go to France to see these are a totally different people to the English, like comparing a pig to a tiger. Different species.
The French are people who lost their own celtic language years ago and took on the Latin langauge of Italian overlords. Then they were conquered again by Germano Franks who even took away their name too! Since then they've spent most of their time getting invaded by germans begging english for help, then insulting us when were done. |
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Sat Feb 5th 14:08 2005 / #503 |
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Pizza Pizza man, I want to be the Pizza man. woo hooo hooo! |
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Tue Feb 8th 17:05 2005 / #504 |
When I was in Prague over New Year my mate spent €700 in one day on women. He had sex with five women in a row while under the influence of Ecstacy and Cocaine.
I never really seen much of him to be honest. Everytime I text him he said I am on girl #3, girl #4 etc...
Christian |
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Tue Feb 8th 19:36 2005 / #505 |
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His wive and mother must be very proud. |
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Tue Feb 8th 23:46 2005 / #506 |
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i fucking would be proud... thats some stamina....... hope he treated them like the true porn sluts they deserve jizz jizz jizz... wey heyyyy |
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Wed Feb 9th 00:05 2005 / #507 |
He was also telling me that he prefers to pay extra so that he can perform 'ass to mouth'.
This is where he fucks girl #1 in the ass in between each stroke he fucks girl #2's mouth. He likes to do this mainly when under the influence of class a's.
He likes to go to Prague because the girls are very willing to let him do this sprt of thing for relatively little money. Although he did mention prices are going up.
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Pizza time?
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Wed Feb 9th 10:28 2005 / #508 |
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Thicker crust? yeah thats right, we got filled crust. ah yeah |
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Fri Feb 11th 13:58 2005 / #509 |
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The Scots know all about ass to mouth. nothing but shit comes from their lips. |
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Mon Feb 14th 13:40 2005 / #510 |
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Is this thread finally dead? Everyone agree the English are the best. |
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Mon Feb 14th 18:07 2005 / #511 |
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start sending them to some balkan capital-- sofia or sarajevo maybe. after a few groups start coming back dead they'll start thinking about the way they behave on other people's soil. the brits have a long history of this sort of thing-- just need some people who are a little more warmblooded and confrontational than the czechs to sort 'em out, that's all. |
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Tue Feb 15th 10:48 2005 / #512 |
Jim,
I know what you are saying. Although you lose me with "the brits have a long history of this sort of thing"
I note that like most antagonists in this discussion you would not admit where you are from.
I have been touring the Balkan capitals and the people there are friendly beyond question. I have never met in my life more wonderfully welcoming and genuine people. It is not fair the assumptions you make about these people.
I do not know where you are getting your facts from?
Perhaps if these groups went to Somalia, Tukkistan, Ivory Coast etc... they might not get away with too much... Do you think EasyJet will fly to these places? That would be one way of controlling the population...
Nice one,
Christian (I know my spelling is shit it is Tuesday morning and I am still asleep zZZZZ) |
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Tue Feb 15th 20:17 2005 / #513 |
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Having the largest world empire in history and being undefeated and unconqered by any other nation or people on the planet at any time in history, gives you both the right and confidence, to go whever you like behaving however you like. Thats the prerogative of the conquere. Until you defeat us in battle and show you;re superiority you have no write to either complain or critice but must accept you;re status as lesser mortals. The lion is the king of the jungle and may do as he likes, much as the mice may squeak in protest! |
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Wed Feb 16th 07:44 2005 / #514 |
i am from the united states and i know what people in the balkans are like from being there and being friends with them in the u.s. and czech republic. they are great people, but they don't like idiocy, disrespect and what might generally be called bullshit. and when you piss them off, they let you know it and might react. basically what i'm saying is a group of obnoxious, drunken dickheads thinking they can take over a bar and ruin the atmosphere for the rest of the patrons-- sing at the top of their lungs, throw shit, fondle the barmaids, etc. wouldn't fly in the aforementioned locales because they'd have a punch-up on their hands. i think americans abroad, as a whole, are more annoying than brits as a whole group. the biggest problem with the "lads having one last wekend before their mate ties the knot" is the potential element of danger.
two years ago the website expedia.com did a survey of people in the tourism/travel industries and the brits, hands down, won the most annoying and unwelcome honors. when i say "a long history of doing this sort of thing" just read chinua achebe's classic things fall apart. that's what i mean. |
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Wed Feb 16th 12:18 2005 / #515 |
Jim,
Where did you go in the Balkans?
"a group of obnoxious, drunken dickheads thinking they can take over a bar and ruin the atmosphere for the rest of the patrons-- sing at the top of their lungs, throw shit, fondle the barmaids, etc."
Sounds like a group of Serbian Red Star Belgrade fans I met in Ljubljana. Guess what no one in the bar said anything to them. I actually joined them singing similar songs about my team. It was not long before they where putting beer in front of me and teaching me songs.
If you don't like this sort of thing not try 'Starbucks' or a gay bar.
Anyway now I know where you are from in response to "chinua achebe's things fall apart" two words:
Native Americans
You think your own shit don't stink buddy?
How would you describe Americans abroad?
Christian |
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Wed Feb 16th 20:53 2005 / #516 |
"the biggest problem with the "lads having one last wekend before their mate ties the knot" is the potential element of danger."
My freind my freind, this is the whole point. The English are without fear. we dont care. Hitler didnt scare us dropping high explosives on us everynight and some jumped up balkan prick whos dad fucks his sisters who thinks he is al capone is hardly going to. This is why the mafia and medditeraneans havnt taken youre country over and the english descendants still rule it firmly. They are just spaghetti munching bullies, but at the end of the day have neither the brain capacity, honour or skill in battle which has allowed the germanic nations, especially the purest english one to rule the earth wherever weve set foot. the english have NEVER been slaves. meditteraneans and balkan people are all brawn and bully, good at slapping women and inflicting razor wounds on prostitutes at the end of the day thick as pigshit,and complete cowards. the italiens simply run away from most of the battles on the eastern front. When an Italian captain remarked to Goering how tough the eastern campaign had been, goering simply remarked really were the italeans there..we never noticed most of you had run away before the first shot. The germans make what you will of their racial policies of the ss, but the regular army were brave warrios who fought to the death.
In the recent tsunami tales were abound of brave englishmen, scandanavians and germans who risked their lives to help others. Hardly one about any others. This si why we rule the world and always will were brave warriors and heros, like thor and the nordic gods. the fat stumpy coward in europe just whinge and get conquered by us. The french are the biggest cowards of all. The irish dont go to war but leave bombs in shopping centres to kill children, at nor risk or personal harm to themselves. They may give us a few good scraps but ultimately its a mis matched fight the valient and heroic always come out on top in the end. |
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Wed Feb 16th 21:05 2005 / #517 |
If you need further proof on the absurdity of this current notion of racial equality, and the proof of massive inequality even amongst the white european races, look at your own nations the amercas. The spanish and English arrive more or less at the same time, the spanish conquer the south, and the english the north. Foward 500 years the North is the worlds only superpower, richest nation on the planet, militraily stingest, the south is basically a third world shit hole without a pot to piss in.
England is not equal to the rest of Europe it is far far above it, the evidence is there for all to see. |
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Thu Feb 17th 01:21 2005 / #518 |
The True Born Englishman (1701)
by Daniel Defoe
Thus from a mixture of all kinds began,
That het'rogeneous thing, an Englishman:
In eager rapes, and furious lust begot,
Betwixt a painted Britain and a Scot.
Whose gend'ring off-spring quickly learn'd to bow,
And yoke their heifers to the Roman plough:
From whence a mongrel half-bred race there came,
With neither name, nor nation, speech nor fame.
In whose hot veins new mixtures quickly ran,
Infus'd betwixt a Saxon and a Dane.
While their rank daughters, to their parents just,
Receiv'd all nations with promiscuous lust.
This nauseous brood directly did contain
The well-extracted blood of Englishmen.
Which medly canton'd in a heptarchy,
A rhapsody of nations to supply,
Among themselves maintain'd eternal wars,
And still the ladies lov'd the conquerors.
The western Angles all the rest subdu'd;
A bloody nation, barbarous and rude:
Who by the tenure of the sword possest
One part of Britain, and subdu'd the rest
And as great things denominate the small,
The conqu'ring part gave title to the whole.
The Scot, Pict, Britain, Roman, Dane, submit,
And with the English-Saxon all unite:
And these the mixture have so close pursu'd,
The very name and memory's subdu'd:
No Roman now, no Britain does remain;
Wales strove to separate, but strove in vain:
The silent nations undistinguish'd fall,
And Englishman's the common name for all.
Fate jumbled them together, God knows how;
What e'er they were they're true-born English now.
The wonder which remains is at our pride,
To value that which all wise men deride.
For Englishmen to boast of generation,
Cancels their knowledge, and lampoons the nation.
A true-born Englishman's a contradiction,
In speech an irony, in fact a fiction.
A banter made to be a test of fools,
Which those that use it justly ridicules.
A metaphor invented to express
A man a-kin to all the universe.
For as the Scots, as learned men ha' said,
Throughout the world their wand'ring seed ha' spread;
So open-handed England, 'tis believ'd,
Has all the gleanings of the world receiv'd.
Some think of England 'twas our Saviour meant,
The Gospel should to all the world be sent:
Since, when the blessed sound did hither reach,
They to all nations might be said to preach.
'Tis well that virtue gives nobility,
How shall we else the want of birth and blood supply?
Since scarce one family is left alive,
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Thu Feb 17th 01:44 2005 / #519 |
september 1 2004 National genealogical Survey
English and Welsh differ genetically
Gene scientists have found proof that the Welsh and English are of a different stock. The research supports the idea that Celtic Britain underwent a form of ethnic cleansing by Anglo-Saxons invaders following the Roman withdrawal in the fifth century.
It suggests that between 50% and 100% of the indigenous population of what was to become England was wiped out, with Offa's Dyke acting as a "genetic barrier" protecting those on the Welsh side. And the upheaval can be traced to this day through genetic differences between the English and the Welsh.
Academics at University College in London comparing a sample of men from the UK with those from an area of the Netherlands where the Anglo-Saxons are thought to have originated found the English subjects had genes that were almost identical. But there were clear differences between the genetic make-up of Welsh people studied.
The research team studied the Y-chromosome, which is passed almost unchanged from father to son, and looked for certain genetic markers...
The researchers concluded the most likely explanation for this was a large-scale Anglo-Saxon invasion, which devastated the Celtic population of England, but did not reach Wales. ...
"It appears England is made up of an ethnic cleansing event from people coming across from the continent after the Romans left," he said...It suggests that the Welsh border was more of a genetic barrier to the Anglo-Saxon Y chromosome gene flow than the North Sea. Dr Thomas added: "Our findings completely overturn the modern view of the origins of the English." |
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Thu Feb 17th 01:59 2005 / #520 |
Kinda blows theory of a mixed race english apart doesn't it. The evidence is in our genes. Despite 1,500 years of geographical seperation our genes are still virtually identical and unaltered to those of our germanic cousins in the Netherlands, but NOTHING like the celt inbreds in the valleys! lol....any englishman could have told you that anyway....we don't find ginger hair very attracitve or sexually appealing, and we prefer to mate with people with 'two' eyebrows (preferebly above their eyes and not on their cheeks)......besides which they prefer their sheep :)
As for the line about us taking up the roman plow? exuse me??? Mr Defoes, bless his cotton socks is getting confused a bit there isn't he. Lets recape some bacis historical facts. Roman's leave britian 410 A.D, English arrive 440 A.D So how does that work? lol truth is we took their empire off them, it lasted a thousand years when all they had to contend with was drunken celts, stoneage basques and cowardly gaul mongrels. The moment some real men turned up the spaghetti munchers done one and run away... as usual..lol Rome wasnt built in a day, but the english conquered it in one...:P
anywaaaay...guess this thread isnt dead....some of you just cant control youre jealousy for us can you...well it will take more than a rambling load of historically incorrect rubbish from a long dead poet to try and take the shine of this great nation...but keep trying boys...this lion loves to here the mice squeak. lol...eek eek...anyone for cheese? |
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Thu Feb 17th 05:16 2005 / #521 |
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this thread is just a pool of splooge from some 50 englishmen circle-jerk. keep having fun beating off in front of each other guys, everyone else lost interest about 40 shots ago. |
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Thu Feb 17th 09:34 2005 / #522 |
people are people..who said they wernt? not me.
Eevryone has a right to exist. but that doesnt mean we are equal. like all other species in the animal kingdom homo sapien has different breeds, each with different attributes. To try to make out were the same is absurd and a lie. The proof is all around you. Do you see the Zulus enginerring aircraft and mass communication devices? no. but then they can probably chase a tiger up a tree or chuck a spear better than me. so its swings and roundabouts. yes were all people, but we are different.
If the czech people are going to behave in a racist manner, singling out one ethnic group or nationality from all others for 'special treatement' and labelling them a nation of trouble makers..hardly suprising those people will defend themselves against such an unfair onslaught. |
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Thu Feb 17th 11:58 2005 / #523 |
Quiestion: Did anyone of you nice Englishman, when in some Praha club, have an offer of an instant hiv test kit in a small box?
Please tell me if you have and where. |
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Thu Feb 17th 18:40 2005 / #524 |
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Sorry Pavel can't help there. Not that H.I.V is a worry to me, I don't have sex with prostitutes unprotected or otherwise or take intravenous drugs, and think those who do deserve all they get to be honest. Apparntly 63% of all those infected with H.I.V in U.K were born outside of the u.k, shocking that. As I've said before we should pull up out trap door, adn restore our great Island nation to what it once was, the vile infected filth flooding over the borders to spread disease and rob the NHS are the real threat to us, not hookers in Prague or binge drinking. |
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Thu Feb 17th 20:49 2005 / #525 |
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Pizza, I got da pizza, hot and steamy:) hmmmm yummy. |
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pepelopez
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Fri Feb 18th 16:45 2005 / #526 |
i plan to sell crack to sloppy britons
who's with me? |
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Fri Feb 18th 18:00 2005 / #527 |
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seell youre ass crack maybe. l |
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Sat Feb 19th 06:11 2005 / #528 |
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actually theres no way that you could possibly sell crack to drunken britons because hitler deafeated napoleon at the battle of waterloo. this set an unbelievable precendent in the 13th century to make way for the huns who were trying to take over. Jesus if you son't see that you must have your head up your arse. get a life you tosser. |
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Sat Feb 19th 12:52 2005 / #529 |
Unlike you tosser The English have a great life, ramopaging through europe drunk and having sex! Also hardly suprising Europe finds the past irrelevent and would rather forget it,, because it exposes their total inferiority to England time and time again. You can't stand the fact you weasels havnt won fuck all whilst we conquered the world. you cant stand the fact the germans beat every single one of you but couldnt hold a candle to england. drives you nuts dont it. thats why you sad fuckers try to get revenge by trying to put us down and label us drunks..we so like caaaaare!!lol...you honestly think we give a fuck about what a bunch of arse weasels whove never done fuck all to get in the history books ever think about us?? you arrogant cunts...really think youre that important?
. Ban us from Prague go on do it...you think we give a flying fuck?...lol think about it hard...if we wanted prague we could just come and take it any time we felt like it.....its you that will suffer without our money. We couldnt care less. theres a million over places to go get pissed and shag ugly women.
lol..trying to wipe out history coz of youre shameful past... sorry fuck face you dont get off that easy...when you conquer England then you can rewrite the histroy books all you like...wont hold my breathe. what a sad c*nt. |
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Mon Feb 21st 03:05 2005 / #530 |
The real reason that the Czechs are getting bent out of shape is because when their country first was opened, lots of expats came from everywhere, US, Britian, Canada etc. They spent their bread and the locals dug it all. But then the Czechs themselves became part of the EU, they got better money. they became prosperous. Now they are getting tired of the expats comming, getting drunk, chasing the women and stuff like that. I almost look at it the same way that Las Vegas cleaned up its image. These days Czechs want people to admire its art and culture and not its booze and broads.
Of course the Czechs still love to rip off tourists. If you go to any resturant in Czech land you will find there are two menus, one for locals and one for the tourists. The tourist can be expected to pay 5 times as much as a local for the same dish. In short, the Czechs may hate the tourists but they love their money! |
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Mon Feb 21st 10:29 2005 / #531 |
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Don't worry Im not holding my breathe either. Pizza? |
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Mon Feb 21st 21:09 2005 / #532 |
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could you imagine the uproar though if britian said it was 'clamping down on; rowdy czechs..or any other nationality for that matter. Why the Czechs think they have the right to single out a group of people on basis of nationality and stereotype them all negatively and/or persute them, i dont know. Just racist and offensive. Sure have a crackdown on drunks. lock them up. but each person is to be judged on their individual behaviour, its not fair to brand english people drunks when the majority of them are not, and the end result will be czech will shoot themselves in the foot because they wont just git rid of the english hooligans, they get rid of all english people. |
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Mon Feb 21st 23:03 2005 / #533 |
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Deal. |
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Mon Feb 21st 23:31 2005 / #534 |
529 ... i agree .....
but u forgot something that really pisses the czechs off... the UK actually signed a document during those war time years.. that basically gave the czech republic away thats how the germans marched on in so easily
hhhhhmmmmm
if they ban us... lets do it again
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Tue Feb 22nd 06:15 2005 / #535 |
have to agree 521,
"this thread is just a pool of splooge from some 50 englishmen circle-jerk. keep having fun beating off in front of each other guys, everyone else lost interest about 40 shots ago"
just a passing comment,
In 2006 when we have the World Cup in German.. how many countrys fans will have the following the English Fans will have??
Ans... NONE.. cause the english will have the German Police following them too!!!
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Tue Feb 22nd 12:52 2005 / #536 |
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Fans have fans? I m a fan of a fan. weird |
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Tue Feb 22nd 15:02 2005 / #537 |
"but u forgot something that really pisses the czechs off... the UK actually signed a document during those war time years.. that basically gave the czech republic away thats how the germans marched on in so easily"
This is what makes people totally lose respect for the Czechs. Czech republic or czechoslavakia were both independant states. owned by the czechs run by the czechs. Never a part of the British empire or anything to do with Britian. Why do they therefore think it was somehow down to Britian to defend them and not themselves? Just looking for someone else to blame, rather than look themselves in the mirror and admit their own weaknesses.. Typical. If they were real men they wouldnt try and blame others for the fact they got conquered by a stronger power. Theyd be man enough to admit it. Men take personal responsibility, they dont whinge and try and blame other people who had nothing to do with it.
Besides which its bollocks anyway. the only thing Britain agreed to was that the sudetenland an area of Czechoslavakia which was predminately populated by Germans, should by rights be in Germany anyway! bang on. We never ALLOWED hitler to invade the rest of czechoslavakia he did so 9 months later in total contravention of every agreement hed made, and Britian and everywhere else was so outraged this is why Hitler was no longer tolerated afterwards and war soon followed.
Personally this is why I feel Britian shouldnt bother with Europe and fuck em if they dont like us. Weve done nothing but help them out, and what do we get back..fuck all..thrown in our faces. Europeans are scum., they are inferior in every way. lets face it always will be..so fuck em. let them whinge all they like...its not up to britian to become european because to be european is to be weak , puny failures. its up to them to become like us, which at the end of the day is why they hate us..we are shining examples of what they could be but arnt and they hate us for it. |
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Wed Feb 23rd 10:22 2005 / #538 |
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I ve never heard czechs say anything about their past history in regards to England. Russia, yes, Germany yes, but England, come on. I don't think it has anything to do with what happened in the past that gives a lot of people a bad image of the english hooligans (not the english people) . come on guys, do you really think that someone sees a group of drunken brits and says, damn those brits, they signed a document that gave away czech republic to the germans. jeez |
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Thu Feb 24th 00:15 2005 / #539 |
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It has been mentioned here a few times. But totally fair point, why should they. And at same time that's all I'm saying I'm not offended at Czechs wanting to route out drunks and trouble makers from their city. Again totally fair point. So they should . But they must accept that involves changing the way they market their city abroad, especially in Britian, and also instead of stereotyping England as drunks, realise that the majority of us are not, theyre just attracting those who are through their poor marketing. In England Prague isnt marketed as a city of culture and architecture, its marketed as a stag capital for sex and beer, so suprise suprise most of us have no desire to travel there and those who do choose to go are the kind of people who enjoy that, it doesnt take much intelligence to work out their not going to be the classiest bunch of people. If the Czechs changed that, went a bit upmarket, they may find the visitors they then attract from England are suprisingly well mannered and polite and not in the least bit troublesome! |
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Thu Feb 24th 17:44 2005 / #540 |
Here, here...
Lets face it is a backwards country. You would only expect this borderline racism. It is only what you would expect from a country that employs despicable policies that prevent equality.
More to the point, what about clamping down on thieving Czech cunts! Get a cab or eat a meal and we will see who is out of order. Fucking thieving bastards.
Imagine that happening in England? We charged double for johnny foreigners? There would be an out cry. All those lentil munching jobless bastards would be marching round Downing Street.
Take my advice. Give them half what they ask and tell them to get the fuck out of your face. It works every time for me. Especially on them fat cab drivers that smell like ciggies...
Try and rip this Englishman off you thieving BASTARDS!
My mate is engaged to a Czech girl and she is a materialistic bitch too. You ought to be ashamed of yourselves... |
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Fri Feb 25th 11:05 2005 / #541 |
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please stop this thread. for gods sake. |
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Wed Mar 9th 14:50 2005 / #542 |
Christian,
I have been reading all your posts, and have come to the conclusion your nothing but an English w*****, I don't tar you all with the same brush, but for some strange reason soon as you reach the airport you change from normal decent people into a pile of sh*t. Im from scotland and we go all over the world, drink more than you english twats and done need to shout or abuse people, so why do you lot do it?. Another thing why is it if I go to any airport in England 99% of the men are wearing their England shirts for travelling in, whats that about!!!. I just find it very strange why you threaten and abuse people who are miles away. |
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Wed Mar 9th 14:53 2005 / #543 |
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I love the scottish. Give him a headbutt, or a glaswegian hanshake, for me if you see him:) |
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Wed Mar 9th 15:22 2005 / #544 |
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It is true though', people though out the world hate the English and it's only because of twats like him, Scottish, Irish, Welsh don't get the same problems. Not that we don't have our fair share of idiots, but rather than joining in with them we are more likely to sort the idiot out ourselves. He did make some fair points about how tourist get ripped off something terrible in Prague, i.e. a menu for locals and one for tourist, but rather than getting really pissed off about this, just don't go back. I have no problem with poorer people trying to make a bit extra, but some of them really go over the score in Prague, even in McDonalds it makes you laugh. But at the same time, why this happens is hard for us British to understand because our towns ain't filled with gangs of foreign rich people shouting and abusing us and running rampage through out towns, maybe this is just there way of getting us back. Maybe since Prague is turning into a major tourist place, it needs dedicated tourist police, this might stop people being ripped off so much and in turn stop groups being so Angry and abusive to the locals. How knows, I don't really care I like Prague and can't wait to get back! |
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Wed Mar 9th 17:07 2005 / #545 |
Pink Pounder:
"we go all over the world, drink more than you english twats"
I bet you haven't even finished school yet!! Laughing at your sophistication and self admissions. Furthermore, you are proud of it! Beatuiful. You negate my need to debate with you, how considerate.
"Another thing why is it if I go to any airport in England 99% of the men are wearing their England shirts for travelling in, whats that about!!!. "
I present you with exhibit A:
http://www.scallycentral.com/Postbag/images/firstnewslottery 6.jpg
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You fucking daft haggis munching, caber throwing, alkerolic, bench warming, phone inventing, deep friend mars bar munching, skirt wearing, SWEATY SOCK!
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Wed Mar 9th 17:29 2005 / #546 |
Christian
Wow, some serious angst here! |
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Wed Mar 9th 17:43 2005 / #547 |
Twats like me? That is quite capsule. Perhaps you do not have the intelligence to expand your point with any reasoning?
Hope you don't prove me right.
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Thu Mar 10th 01:42 2005 / #548 |
Christian
First of all - Exhibit A, hahahahahahahahahahah. Thanks for sharing with us some of your personal photos of friends and family, for those who missed them you can find them here.
http://www.scallycentral.com/Postbag/Postbag-2004-08.htm
Now question 1
Did you trawl the net like the sad bastard you are to find that link or was it in your personal favourites?
Question 2
In post 512 you state - I know my spelling is shit it is Tuesday morning and I am still asleep. I put it to you since you make so many mistakes that your thick as pig shit, and a fat bastard (Fat Milan Baros as you like to be called) do you agree?
Question 3
In a previous post you said "I am not a kid anymore like last time. *Czech Cab Drivers beware* ", did you have a bad experience in a taxi last time, you perhaps are eager to share with us?
Question 4
In Relation to question 3, how many crowns did you have to pay the taxi driver for riding your sweaty fat english arse?
Now for once can you at least try and answer the questions instead of going on about some haggis this and that, cos I could easily say "Who ate all the pies" a question asked by thousands, but guess what it was you - you fat bastard" |
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Thu Mar 10th 12:28 2005 / #549 |
PinkPouderder,
Morning members : )
Q1 - Personal favorites.
Q2 - I am a business Analyst so I am thick obviously : ) I was going up a weight for my next fight!
Q3 - Yes he robbed £20 off me. Yes, laugh if you want... I was only young and quite scared. Last visit I robbed a cab driver so all is well that ends well.
Q4 - Hehehehehe, CLASS! I view inside your mind.
Obviously I hit a nerve there? I am shocked you never spent your broadband money on BUCKFAST and can participate in this forum. Maybe you are not 100% scottish?
What are you doing up so early anyway? Are you waiting for the off licence to open? You better get your tracksuit on it's Job Club for you in a few hours. You can go and smoke bags of shag with your drunk work dodging friends and talk about your non-entity football league? You better run before the post office shuts fur lunch jock! You don't want to be stood outside Threashers asking for 20p's AGAIN tonight...
~live the dream~ |
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Thu Mar 10th 12:28 2005 / #550 |
PinkPouderder,
Morning members : )
Q1 - Personal favorites.
Q2 - I am a business Analyst so I am thick obviously : ) I was going up a weight for my next fight!
Q3 - Yes he robbed £20 off me. Yes, laugh if you want... I was only young and quite scared. Last visit I robbed a cab driver so all is well that ends well.
Q4 - Hehehehehe, CLASS! I view inside your mind.
Obviously I hit a nerve there? I am shocked you never spent your broadband money on BUCKFAST and can participate in this forum. Maybe you are not 100% scottish?
What are you doing up so early anyway? Are you waiting for the off licence to open? You better get your tracksuit on it's Job Club for you in a few hours. You can go and smoke bags of shag with your drunk work dodging friends and talk about your non-entity football league? You better run before the post office shuts fur lunch jock! You don't want to be stood outside Threashers asking for 20p's AGAIN tonight...
~live the dream~
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Thu Mar 10th 13:19 2005 / #551 |
Rip off country ? You choose
Prague airport to Prague center
Normal price 15 GBP
Heathrow to London center
Normal price 40 GBP |
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Thu Mar 10th 14:39 2005 / #552 |
Afternoon Christian,
Correct me if IM wrong but you really do sound lost for words :-)))), Never mind, shall we start by analysing you replies.
Question 1 Personal favorites.
Fist of all spelling mistake you spell it like this "favourites" Twat and it's not even Tuesday, but either way I knew that’s were you kept the link.
Question 2 I am a business Analyst so I am thick obviously : ) I was going up a weight for my next fight!
A Business Analyst you say, one that can't even spell, never mind, so how many hamburgers have you sold today?. I did like how you had to get in what you do, I just wish you had picked something that we could actually believe. Going up a weight for your next fight, tell the truth, you have been a fat bastard all your life, with no pals and that’s why you attack everyone on this forum, correct?
Question 3 Yes he robbed £20 off me. Yes, laugh if you want... I was only young and quite scared. Last visit I robbed a cab driver so all is well that ends well.
Oh I see you were young, well lets get this right, you were old enough to fly yourself, so is it just in the mind that your young or do you just like sweaty taxi drivers taking advantage of you? I see in your last visit you ROBBED the taxi driver, English Thug, why did you have to confess you took away all my fun of proving it?.
Question 4 Hehehehehe, CLASS! I view inside your mind.
Hahahahaha, I liked that too, you may be able to view into my mind, but I know the taxi driver and I have the tape . Did you always make sqealing noises or is this a more recent thing?
Ok now lets go through the rest of your pish.
Obviously I hit a nerve there? I am shocked you never spent your broadband money on BUCKFAST and can participate in this forum. Maybe you are not 100% scottish?
I think you will find it was the taxi driver that hit your nerve - hahahahahaa, oh and I don't pay for my broadband my work does, and BUCKFAST well, not really sure what that is so I looked it up  guess what I found.
http://www.buckfast.org.uk/
Yes it's in ENGLAND!!! And obviously not just coincidence as they even registered the web address, you stupid fuck.
Oh what else was there.
What are you doing up so early anyway? Are you waiting for the off licence to open? You better get your tracksuit on it's Job Club for you in a few hours. You can go and smoke bags of shag with your drunk work dodging friends and talk about your non-entity football league? You better run before the post office shuts fur lunch jock! You don't want to be stood outside Threashers asking for 20p's AGAIN tonight...
Working, why did your mum send you to bed? Tracksuit coming from a scouser, you having a laugh . Oh our non-entity football league, let me think, didn't Celtic give you lot a hammering in the UEFA cup a couple of seasons ago? And Threashers, it's spelt Threshers twat, but anyway you will be pleased to know they are an English company, in case you don't believe me I have listed their Head Office address below.
Thresher Group
Enjoyment Hall
Bessemer Road
Welwyn Garden City
Herts AL7 1BL
Tel: 01707 387 200
Fax: 01707 387 416
*Registered Office First Quench Retailing Ltd.
Registered in England No. 30129
Now Christian don't you agree you are a twat? Or do you want more proof? Hahahahahahahahahhaha |
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Thu Mar 10th 14:47 2005 / #553 |
Prague Ruzyne airport to Prague center - 9.3 Miles
London Heathrow to Bank 20.1 Miles
Prague price per mile = £1.61
London price per mile = £1.99
Yes 38p a mile more expensive in London 1.23. That is 23% more expensive in London.
Can I ask what the average wage is in the Czech Republic and we can clarify your argument in real terms?
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Thu Mar 10th 14:57 2005 / #554 |
Jocky,
Back from the post office already? How was the queue in the bakers? Sorted for e's and wizz? ehehehehe aren't you always?
All of these companies are based in england as there is nothing wrong with making a few million out of your drink problems. Yes they are based in England but they sell their shite in Scottish. As expressed in the godfarther:
"Let them take that shit if they want. We will be rich from them. They have no fucking souls to lose anyway"
You seem to like this taxi fantasy thing? Erm... Hmm
If you want to go and see where your money ends up you might pay a visit to:
Thresher Group
Enjoyment Hall
Bessemer Road
Welwyn Garden City
Herts AL7 1BL
You do not get Web access if you work in McDonalds. I worked there once.
Nice one,
Christian
P.S. You do not need to know how to spell when you can deliver projects and keep financial systems for three continents running without assistance. Not that it means anything but you insist on bringing it up. What do you do? |
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Thu Mar 10th 15:23 2005 / #555 |
Christian
Hahahahahahahahahahaha, it breaks the day up doesn't it, although IM surprised you have time, I would imagine keeping financial systems for three continents running without assistance would be quite a busy taxing job, How does the world cope when you’re a sleep? You strike me as being one of these pricks, earning peanuts and trying to talk a good game, your one of these gobshites that takes up space in the pub mincing round with the half lager all night.
You seem to be grasping at straws, I notice you have toned your language down, or is that only cos you know I have shown you to be a twat?
I don't really like fiction, that’s why I like this Taxi story cos we both know it's true :-)
And confessing to working in McD's, I got paragraph 1 spot on eh!!
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Thu Mar 10th 17:08 2005 / #556 |
Alight Jock,
It does indeed. I am surprised I have time too : )
Most people who make companies function are on shite money. I earn twenty grand. To me that is shit money you are right. I never said I was rich or something?
Nah, only pints for me thanks. White beer usually. If not brandy and ginger. Or if it is day time a soda water or a coffee. What do you drink?
You can't swear all of the time it is boring. You have to have dynamics.
Machael Jackson was in that Taxi too!!
I usually get shit when I say I worked in McD's. I worked there because when leaving school I did not want to be unemployed and it is a well payed job when you have no experience. I lasted three months I got sacked. I just wasn't cut out for it.
Many people see it more nobel to work cash in hand or sign on given the same situation. I paid my taxes and done my hours. I have nothing to be ashamed of.
As you are so interested, my next job was documentation with the Swiss Stock Exchange based between Canda Square 1 in London and Zurich.
Christian
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Thu Mar 10th 17:38 2005 / #557 |
Christian,
Im glad you have calmed down, do you agree to a truce?
Ps My name is Alan
PPS It has been fun :-) |
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Thu Mar 10th 17:50 2005 / #558 |
Christian,
no matter what your job you are an ignorant twat. No one gives a shit that you identify yourself through your mindless work of acquisition, nor does anyone give shit about your rabid nationalism. Get a fucking life, buy a fucking clue England is no better than anyone else and they have done far worse than most. So be proud of all of the blood on your hands adn your idiot racist attitudes but fuck off and do it somewhere else. Maybe you could try doing it on the psychiatrists couch for a while. |
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Thu Mar 10th 20:11 2005 / #559 |
Christian
Lets chew on that taxi comparison a bit.
Since you asked: purchasing power parity per person per year in UK is 23370 USD and in CR 14021 USD. These are numbers from 2000, so I guess CR catched up a bit since then but never mind.
So you calculated taxi trip from Heathrow to Bank. Fine, this will cost you 55 GBP with a metered taxi (tip not included). If you take a metered taxi from Ruzyne to Na Prikope (where the HQ of main banks in Praha are) it will set you back 350 CZK (no tip) or approx. 8 GBP.
This means that with a 1 year wages a Czech can take about 127 taxi trips in London (and about 876 in Praha) while a Brit can take about 1460 taxi trips in Praha (and about 212 in London).
So logically a Czech tourist visiting London and taking a taxi to Bank is paying 10 times as much as a Brit visiting Praha and taking a taxi to Na Prikope. Talk about rip off country ...
Before you bring up again the cost per mile. Hey it is not my fault that our Communist planners saw the benefit of an airport close to town much earlier than you Brits (London City Airport in Docklands came quite late). |
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Thu Mar 10th 22:46 2005 / #560 |
Alan,
Alright lad. I am sure you are an absolutely charming gentleman and you are very welcome to Cambridge anytime. Bring your own pot noodle if your staying for tea!!
Cheers,
Christian
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Thu Mar 10th 23:12 2005 / #561 |
Saint Just,
We meet again. Is there anything we agree? Well, actually I think fundamentally we agree here. Prague is a rip off, I am sorry it is getting more expensive because of the tourist boom.
It charges outsiders more who do not know the language as some service industries think we are all rich or something? You can not argue with this I am afraid. Your government had to bring in laws on the taxis to reduce the problem, it is a fact.
London is the third most expensive city in the world to live in. It has a booming economy and is the at the centre of some of the worlds markets an equal if not greater population of the entire czech republic! The cities are not camparable in terms of a cab ride.
My home town of Liverpool is more similar to Prague in size and cost of living. A cab from John Lennon airport to the Centre is £15 similar to in Prague and it is about the same distance too.
It is a bizzare example that you mention London in your example anyway as unlike your crafty commie planners who had not the inspiration to put a rail link in you may look to London as a breath of fresh air.
You can fly to any part of London:
London Harbour - Central
London Luton - North West
London Gatwick - South
London Stanstead North East
London Heathrow - West
Did you know that they all have a rail network none of them costing more than £15 a ticket to access any part of London.
Why on Gods earth would you get a cab in to London. The express train connections have you there faster than any car? I would not Like to think that you paid this needlessly having evidently expressed the gap in wages between the countries.
Next time you are flying to the greatest city in Europe try:
http://www.nationalrail.co.uk
I can help you if you need advice.
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Fri Mar 11th 09:42 2005 / #562 |
Christian
I know about these so called Express links.
Stansted rail link takes you to Liverpool Street tube station. Takes about 1 hour if no delays (leaves on the tracks, signal malfunctioning, Monday, ...) Then still a 20 min. tube trip to the West End. Will cost about 20 GBP.
Gatwick Express takes you to Victoria train station in about 50 minutes. Then another 15 min tube trip to the West End. Aagin about 20 GBP.
Heathrow Express takes you to I think Paddington train station. About 40 minutes. Then 20 minutes tube trip to the West End. 20 GBP out if pocket.
Compare to Praha. About 1 GBP for bus from airport to Dejvicka metro stop in 20 minutes. Then 7 minutes by metro from Dejvicka to Mustek from a grand price of 8 Kc (20p).
Identify the ripp off.
To be honest. Yes in Praha you run the RISK to be ripped off by lets call them free entrepreneurs. In London you are GARANTEED to be ripped off but it all looks a bit cleaner, official, institunionalized: privatised rail, public/private entreprises, ... |
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Fri Mar 11th 15:07 2005 / #563 |
Saint Juste,
You are comparing Sedlec to Moscow.
Stanstead to London is about 50 miles my friend drives this route. As is Gatwick to London. There is no comparison. You are fudging the issue. London and Prague are worlds apart.
London one of the biggest most affluent cities on this planet? Your point is very ambiguous and as such can not be qualified.
Yes London is more expensive than Prague. Of course! So is Tokyo, New York, Paris and other metrpolises. Of course most people in England don't live in London so the comparisson is flawed. The average English man lives in a city not as affluent and expensive as London.
Compare Prague with a similar sized city in England if you want to make a fair comparisson.
The increase of prices in Prague over the last 10 years is a rip off compared with. How can you say otherwise? You must also think this if you live there. I am sure it can not be good for you either.
In Praha you will be ROBBED by oppertunist scum. I make a point of getting even with at least one of these bastards everytime I am there.
IN LONDON EVERYONE PAYS THE SAME PRICE.
In cafe's bars, museums, taxis, shops, bakers, hairdressers, guitar shops, prada boutiques, help the aged....
"it all looks a bit cleaner, official, institunionalized: privatised rail, public/private entreprises, ... "
Tower Bridge, Westminster, Big Ben, Buckingham Palace, Hyde Park, St James Park, Whitehall, Downing Street, London Eye, The Albert Bridge, Camden Town Market, The West End, hundreds of theatres and ecxhibitions of art...
And all you noticed is fucking:
it all looks a bit cleaner, official, institunionalized: privatised rail, public/private entreprises, ...
Why not go to Minsk next time it is more your scene. Cold bland and lafeless. Plenty of misery and square buildings.
You might want to give the most happening city in your continent a miss.
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Fri Mar 11th 16:50 2005 / #564 |
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Do what the locals do - don't drink/eat/party in tourist centre. Go to the villages and meet real Czechs, good service, cheap beer, and superb food. I tour the villages(weather permitting) and have never been ripped off, and am always made welcome. |
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Fri Mar 11th 17:11 2005 / #565 |
Socrates,
With you 100%. The nices places I have been to are Sedlec & Kutn?? Hora for these exact reasons. Beautiful.
People where so nice to us. A very pretty girl we talked to on the train drove us to Sedlec from Kutn?? Hora. We got a cab back she was fair with us so we paid her double for her honesty.
While we where there the women where beautiful friendly we went to the shops and the church. It was much nicer than Prague for meeting Czech people. The best aspect of a holiday for me are the people and the Czech people I met here where a class apart. Hats off!
Same in England. Londoners are famous for not having the time of day for you. However, if you go to a village people will want to talk with you and make friends.
Which villages have you been to?
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Wed Mar 16th 00:48 2005 / #566 |
Alright,
I'm in Poland Thursday with four of my boys. I hear they take much less shit in Warsaw & Krakow than in Prague. I am going to be on my very best behavour : )
I want to see the Popes House
Auschwitz
The Salt Mine Carvings
The Ghetto Uprising exhibitions
Di Vinci's 'Cecilia Gallerani with an Ermine '
bars
clubs
strip shows
some class a & c recreational drugs
tea, cake and fine wine
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Wed Mar 16th 09:44 2005 / #567 |
Just the mix I would expect to see on the BBC Holiday program.
Exhibit number 56 to prove that London taxis are indeed an INSTITUTIONAL rip off (instead of individual entrepreneurship of Praha cabbies).
NYC an London can be compared OK ? both BIG WORLD CITIES unlike Praha and Sedlec as you say-
A taxi in NYC from JFK to Mid town Manhattan will cost you about 40 USD (about 900 Kc) compared to 55 GBP (about 2500 Kc) for a taxi in London from Heathrow to Bank.
Dont tell me that for my money I get to enjoy more miles in Hammersmith than on the Van Wyck Expressway. I dont care: I just want to get as cheap as possible from the bloody airport to my place of business. |
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Wed Mar 16th 15:01 2005 / #568 |
Saint Juste,
Don't know which BBC you watch but it's not in my cable package : (
Granted. However, we are experiencing a very weak dollar to be fair. The weakest in my lifetime probably.
Yes London is expensive. BUT a coffee is two quid. Buy a coffee in a cafe in Paris and you will look at your wallet and see a hole burning in it!! The list goes on and on...
A half decent bit of food in a pub in London is £5 (Weatherspoons, Henry's etc...). It is the SAME price in Prague for similar... How can you quantify it!
Saint Juste, please concede that we can not measure an entire economy and how fair it is by a cab ride.
Anyway, do yourself a favour get a train. If you need advice email me I will help you get a cheap ticket.
I personally do not go to London very much because I can not afford to and I am not a fan of big big cities. I have seen most of it anyway. I am going to Brno next instead. Twice in May beginning and end bank holidays!!!
Nice one,
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Wed Mar 16th 15:21 2005 / #569 |
Christian
Taking a train in Britain ?
You think I am mad ?
No siree, too dangerous (leaves on the tracks), too slow (signal failure at Epping - take the Eurostar once from Paris or Brussels to London: you know you are in old Blighty when the train starts to gooooooooo reallyyyyyyyyyyyy sloooooooooowwwwwwww), too expensive (300 Kc takes you from Praha to Brno, 7 GBP gets you a wet sandwich on Virgin trains).
Like I said: rip off country.
Indicators already established:
- price of taxi
- price of trains
Want to enter discussion for other areas ?
How about:
- price of housing ?
- price of beer ?
- price of cars ?
- price of schools ?
- price of food ?
- price of clothes ?
I am taling about comparisons with Cesko, but any other LEADING BIG FAT COUNTRY in the world (take your pick).
When at least the money spent for school lunches is cheap I heard: 37p or about 35 percent as is spent for prisoner meals. |
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Wed Mar 16th 17:23 2005 / #570 |
Alright,
I get the Virgin all the time Liverpool > London. It runs very accurate and is on time. With track improvements the speed has increased.
The problem England has is that we invented the train, (in Liverpool I might add). Our tracks where laid a hundred years ago. Countries like France etc... took the oppertunity to learn from our tracks and developed a more modern rail system as theirs was built much later than ours.
Compared to countries in Europe prices of consuables and services are fairly consistent. I take your point though. England is more expensive. We also have a free health service and lots of Nuclear Weapons to show from all of these taxes.
You are right. It is too expensive for me. I have this week applied to be an implamentation consultant based in Eastern Europe. The house I rent is 300 000 pounds. I could never afford to buy it!!
With the prison meals a grown man takes more to support than a child so preportionately significantly more is spent on school dinners I would hypothosise. I take your point though. I do not like our government or any other government. Do you like the czech government?
The reason the Channel tunnel train slows down when it gets in to England is because the driver can relax and enjoy our stunning country after rushing away from France. Get out of that.
Christian
P.S. How long does it take from Praha to Brno? |
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Wed Mar 16th 19:41 2005 / #571 |
Christian
Strange - according to my sources the first train locomotive was build and driven in 1804 in WALES.
Speed about the same as today from Liverpool to London.
How much you pay ?
I like it that despite the government here this countrys economy seems to be growing at 4 percent per year, 4 million Czechs will have holiday abroad this year, consumer spending is up 10 percent, ... etc. And the healthcare is free, schools are cheap, rent is protected, school meals are OK (not Turkey twizzlers or Dinosaur fries), ...
The nuclear weapons we can do without. We had some close by in the past, wonder who has them now.
Stunning country view between the tunnel exit and London ?
Yeah, if you like to be reminded of Most that is.
Praha to Brno takes about 3 hours. |
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Thu Mar 17th 21:36 2005 / #572 |
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Great a crackdown on brits, so us Irish can fit into the Irish bars |
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Tue Mar 22nd 02:14 2005 / #573 |
Hello Saint,
Stephenson's Rocket was the first 'modern' train. It was the first train to carry passangers or/and cargo. It was the first train used in the worlds first train networks:
I state the example for your peace of mind. This is something I learned in school when I was about 5 or 6. It is the local history of my city so it is more a part of my learning than yours I expect.
http://www.engineeringweb.co.uk/C6.shtml
Between Milton Keynes and London there is a new Pendolino Technology gone live recently after much renevation of existing lines of this patch of track:
http://www.railnews.co.uk/displaynews.asp?ID=457
Let them eat Turkey twizzlers and Dinosaur fries. Kids do tend to eat shit given the choice. Parents will give in anyway and cook what they cry for. You're only young once anyway.
Who has your weapons now? The Russians?
It was a joke.
I think if it is three hours Praha > Brno I will stay in Brno for the weekends.
I was in Warsaw then Krakow over the weekend. Krakow was much more to my taste. It is midevil and has a lot to offer in terms of history, cusine, nightlife shopping for local crafts. Stunning and a bargain.
I took my oppertunity to visit Auschwitz 1 & 2 over the weekend. Nothing prepared me for what I saw there. It broke my heart.
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Tue Mar 22nd 02:19 2005 / #574 |
Ooops,
Sorry it was me wrote that last post I am 'very tired'.
It is 41 ponds Liverpool to Milton Keynes Standard Saver Return (200 miles).
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Thu Mar 24th 03:13 2005 / #575 |
Jesus, what the hell is all the bickering about? London has a higher (much higher) standard of living than Prague, hence the higher rates of pay, hence the higher rates of goods and services. As Britain has the most expensive fuel prices in the world (petrolium). Due to the goverment over taxing it, us the consumer must then pay through the nose for it.
Obviously this is going to affect taxi fares and other methods of transport.
P.S
You can't compare London to Prague, after visiting them both London is superior in every aspect nigth clubs, restraunts, transportation, accomidation,scenery, culture, the list is endless. The only thing Prague excels at is the promotion of exploitation and sex.
It must make a mint from tourism though, more research is need to comment here. |
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Tue Mar 29th 17:08 2005 / #576 |
I was talking to a friend last night. He said he has been to K5 four times. He says it is the best place in the world for:
Quality of service
Perfomance
Standard of girls
I hate to tell you this, he also is not English...
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Wed Mar 30th 10:21 2005 / #577 |
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Yeah He is Welsh I guess |
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Wed Mar 30th 10:33 2005 / #578 |
Saint,
Can you see how small minded you are being?
He is not even from Europe.
Nice one,
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Tue Apr 12th 18:36 2005 / #579 |
Just when you thought it was safe to go out ...
The rise and rise of the budget airline changes the face of Prague
A million Britons are set to visit the Czech Republic in the coming year, with well over half of them holidaying in Prague. The rise and rise of the 'budget airline' has given Brits a feasible - and cheap - alternative to a weekend at Butlins, or in the Yorkshire dales. But British tourists are gaining a certain notoriety here in the capital, with the number of visiting British stag parties also on the rise. Rosie Johnston looks at the positive and negative effects of the low cost flight.
http://www.radio.cz/en/article/63522 |
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Wed Apr 13th 18:16 2005 / #580 |
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Live the Brits alone. They know how to have fun. But what I would do (just for fun) charge beer 200kc. |
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Wed Apr 13th 18:30 2005 / #581 |
Socrates,
This article was very positive towards British tourism and noted the key message. Brits will bring my guess around £200 000 000 to your economy (a million tourists in the coming year say £200 spends for a long weekend).
Frenchman,
Excuse moi, I did once pay 200kc for a pint of Guinness in that Irish bar in the old town square. The british love paying over the odds.
I am through with Prague now Brno next : ) twice in May!! |
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Sat May 7th 06:13 2005 / #582 |
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Its simple, Execute them!!! |
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Sun May 8th 05:06 2005 / #583 |
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I've just read the majority of this thread.. My eyes hurt and I feel sick! "Dave's boozy armies" and the excessive posting tossers in this thread are not a very flattering representation of the English.. Whilst I'd like to think that the opinions expressed are due to elements in Prague attracting a mindless minority of English people.. It's hard to keep telling myself this when a Saturday night out in Birmingham (UK) is saturated with the type of behavior that has tainted the reputation of the English in Prague. I recently visited Prague and fell in love with the city.. The odd encounter with "Dave's boozy army" merely served as a reminder as to what I was missing back home. |
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Mon May 9th 15:25 2005 / #584 |
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Istanbul next for me : ) |
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Mon May 9th 17:23 2005 / #585 |
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As a recovering alcoholic I am pleased to announce I will still be coming to prague to spend my tourist pound..mmmmnn bread and cheese and pork products and dobra voda |
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Fri May 20th 09:36 2005 / #586 |
Alright,
Brno was much friendlier than Prague. We met lots of people who became our friends and hung out with us. On the first night two guys who run a pool hall. On the second night a beautiful women from the Czech army and her friend.
Also, all of the taxis we took charged us the right fare. It is very beautiful and friendly place. I was due to go back the end of this month nut my team got to the European Cup final so I am off to Istanbul.
Hats off to Brno!!!!
Regards,
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Sun May 22nd 16:00 2005 / #587 |
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Why the fuck didn't Hadrien build that wall just a bit higher. Maybe we could finish the job and add elcetified barbed wire and keep the ginger cunts away from the rest of the world. Tossers. Put your skirts back on and go return that computer to whichever tax paying law abiding English man you theived it from on your last super tennants and smack binge. |
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Sun May 22nd 19:34 2005 / #588 |
Yes Chritsian, I know a few other places your band of pissed up yobs can go.
Try Belgrade. It is warm and friendly and the locals will love your brand of humour.
Oh yes, they will just love you Brits larking about in their city a la Prague "George and Dragon" style. What jolly japes!!
Just don't forget to make funeral arrangements before leaving.
You tossers get away with it because the Czech's are so mild, and love screwing you financially. Take your brand of dickhead nationalsim and drunkeness to other Eastern European capitals and you will not be so lucky.
PS. Fuck you and all those A Hole shaven headed scum that pollute this city. |
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Fuck Belgrade you little pussy. When have yugoslav apes ever conquered Brits. I think you find we kicked your monkey asses like evryone else...and slobodon is getting ass fucked daily by ass in jail....we came to your war torn little shit hole..kicked ass put your little adolf hitler wannabe in jail and fucked off home without breaking a sweat..yeah very scarty aint ya..stick to mass murdering unarmed bosnian, gypsy, and croat women and children in ditches..more your level you brainless monkeys...ha ha ha.. your so hard . prick. |
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Tue May 31st 11:21 2005 / #590 |
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Stay off the meths... |
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Mon Jun 6th 10:59 2005 / #591 |
Tour Guide,
Your a twat. No discussion you do not care who knows it.
Belgarde, I would not go there as they are fucking scum who kill and rape innocent people in their thousands.
I would not be scared of them either. It would make it worth joining to fight them bastards. I have a friend from Croatia and they ruined his life.
Know what you are talking about you fucking mindless cunt. Fuck off back to MSN you twat. |
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Thu Sep 1st 02:14 2005 / #592 |
SO YOU ARE SORRY THAT WE DON´T TALK GERMAN.I WOULD KICK YOUR ASS IF I MET YOU. MY ANCESTORS SACRIFICED THEIR LIFES FOR THEIR NATIONAL LANGUAGE. MY GRANDGRANDFATHER WAS A CAPTAIN OF RECONNAISSANCE UNIT IN RUSSIA 1.WORLD WAR-WHEN I WAS ONLY 4YO,THEY SHOWED ME HIS UNIFORM.oN A LEFT HAND THERE WAS A SKULL.dO YOU KNOW WHAT DID IT MEAN? "RED AND WHITE COLOUR FOR CZECHIA, SKULL FOR DEAD, THERE IS NO LIFE WITHOUT CZECH STATE, FREEDOM OR DEAD".HE WAS IN RUSSIAN GULAG.HE WAS ONLY ONE FROM HIS UNIT WHO SURVIVED THE WAR.AND DURING THE 2.WORLD WAR HE WAS A MEMBER OF "DEFENCE OF NATION".HE SUPPORTED GUYS FROM ANTHROPID. HE WAS A VERY HIGH OFFICER OF POLICE.LEZAKY WAS IN HIS DEPARTMENT.HE WAS IN GESTAPO PRISON FOR YEARS.HE RETURNED BACK AS A CRIPPLE!!INSTEAD OF IT, HIS SONS LOVED HIM.IN 1949 WAS KILLED BY RUSSIAN GRU.SONS BECAME BLACK BAROONS.MY ANOTHER GGFATHER WAS IN BUCHENWALD.
I DON´T ADMIRE BRITONS.THE FATHER OF MRS. ALBRIGHT DEEPLY DEFIED WITH THEM.I DON´T REALLY HATE THEM. I DON´T FEEL ANYTHING WHEN I MEET BRITISH PEOPLE.GUYS ARE USUALLY INTERESTED IN BEER AND SCCRUBERS....I COULDN´T HAVE A SEX WITH PROSTITUTES.MANY OF THEM ARE FORCED TO DO THIS.EVEN MORE SEX IS MUCH MORE THAN A PHYSICAL TRAINING FOR ME.
BR. GIRLS ARE VERY ASEXUAL. THEY THINK THE SAME ABOUT CZ. GUYS.NEVERMIND....BRITANIA GLORIANA:WE CONQUERED A HALF OF WORLD!!!!6 MILIONS OF AFRICANS DIED DURING TRANSPORATION TO AMERICA.YOU STRIPPED THEM OUT OF DIGNITY.NO PEOPLE BUT ANIMALS.YES, GREAT SUCCESS....YOU VISIBLY HAVE THE SAME ORIGIN LIKE GERMANS |
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"CZECHS ARE SO MILD".......I GUESS, IT IS TIME TO FIGHT WITH REAL ENEMY..WAR AGAINST CIVILIANS IS REALLY NOT WHAT CZECHS PREFER.I´M GONNA TELL YOU A REAL STORY ABOUT ONE YUG RAPIST IN CZECH R. HE LEFT THE PRISON BUT POLICE SUSPECTED HIM HE STRIKED AGAIN. GUYS FROM "URNA" LOCATED HIM IN ONE HOUSE.HE WAS ASKED TO LEAVE THE HOUSE TO FORSAKE. HE WAS WARNED THAT COPS COULD USE WEAPONS. RESULT? HE WAS HIT 23TIMES..HIS RIGHT LEG WAS INJURED 23TIMES-:).HE WAS INNOCENT IN THIS CASE.HE SUED FOR REMMEDY.HE WAS REFUSED...HE DIDN´T FOLLOW COP´S ORDER. THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CROATIAN HUSTLER AND ENGLISH WORKERS. aND IF YOU THINK THAT YOU ARE TOUGH, JUST TRY TO HAVE A STREET FIGHT WITH UKRAINIANS..MANY OF THEM ARE FORMER MEMBERS OF BLACK DEATH.THERE ARE STREET´S FIGHTS WITH THEM BUT IN DIFFERENT PLACES..PARDUBICE, OSTRAVA.JUST COME.EVERYTIME WHEN ONE OF UKRAINE´S IMMIGRANT COMMIT A CRIME IN PRAGUE, UKR.´S HOSTELS ARE UNDER ATTACK OF POLICE.ALWAYS IN NIGHT.I SAW THAT COP´S RAID ONE TIME BY AN ACCIDENT.SHOCKING!! DOGS, COPS IN MASKS, UKR.WERE BRUTALLY BEATEN.ON OTHER HAND, ONE MY FRIEND, FORMER JUNIOR EUR. CHAMPION IN KARATE WAS BEATEN NEARLY TO DEATH BY UKR. WORKER.HIS FACE´S BONES WERE BROKEN 17 TIMES. MY KICKBOX TEAMMATE (18 YO) WAS KILLED BY UKR.KICKBOXER DURING EXHIBITION FIGHT IN FRONT OF HIS MOTHER. THAT UKR. BOY IS A CRIPPLE RIGHT NOW.REPRISAL.WE ARE NOT SHEEPS, AND GERMAN KNOW IT VERY GOOD. EVENMORE, CZECHS STRUGGLED IN AFGANISTAM TOGETHER WITH DELTA AND SAS FOR 6 MONTH.AMER.LEADER OF SPECIAL OPERATION STATED: CZECH 6TH SPEC.GROUP WAS THE BEST NONAMERICAN UNIT I HAVE EVER HAD A CHANCE TO MEET. HE PROBABLY WANTED TO ANNOY BRITISH SOLDIERS-:). I HEARD ABOUT SAS..I HAVE GREAT, GREAT RESPECT FOR THESE GUYS. THEY ALWAYS ATTACK ENEMY, THAT IS MUCH MORE STONGER.IT IS VERY CLOSE TO EVERY CZECH.WE DO THE SAME FOR 1400 YEARS. AND MANY PEOPLE SEE ONLY 1938 WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE OF POLITICAL CONTEXT. AND 1968?MAYBE WE SHOULD REALLY TRY TO BEAT SOVIET UNION, POLAND,E.GERMANY AND HUNGARY....YEP |
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Thu Sep 1st 18:38 2005 / #594 |
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Thank goodness I am not English, and let's be brutal it is mainly the English that are like this. |
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Thu Sep 1st 18:55 2005 / #595 |
Actually if you look at the history of the United Kingdom, it only exists because of the Scots.
It was a Scottish king who took the crown when the "Virgin" Queen couldn't find a foreigner suitable enough to progenate her line.
So the Stewarts came to the throne and it was only because the English preferred their German cousins that a Scottish family no longer rules the United Kingdom.
Mind you, the English gave us our Parilament back (so gracious) and into the bargain they let us run theirs as well!!!!! |
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Thu Sep 1st 19:53 2005 / #596 |
Anon, blimey. Like the physical side of life then. You hurt my ears with all that SHOUTING.
So for all that talk from ten months back exactly nothing has changed. Just stoping the Africans touting on the square would be a start. Strolling by yourself or with females and it's not a problem, but talk English with one or two other lads and they're all over you, if only I was mates with anon and GF from post#7 and the three of us could be darlings and skip around speaking Esparnto or Flemish together and not be thought of as beastly yobs. |
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Wed May 3rd 18:40 2006 / #597 |
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If they start putting restrictions on strip clubs and whorehouses it will effect their tourism revenue.Politicians in Prague might not like their city to be known as a mega beer and sex hang out,but that`s how they`ve let it happen.Its the lager louts from Britain they should concentrate on.Manchester is the biggest brothel city in Britain,but it isn`t effected by a lack of tourists.If someone wants to visit Prague and wants to enjoy the delights of a nice little Prague chick,why do the killjoys putting on restrictions make it difficult for them? |
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Sat May 6th 15:37 2006 / #598 |
.If someone wants to visit Prague and wants to enjoy the delights of a nice little Prague chick,why do the killjoys putting on restrictions make it difficult for them?
You obviously are a deformed retard who could't get a lei in Hawaii.
I went to the UK once but when I got there, it was shut for the day. Listening to you I know why.
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